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No, people as a whole are obviously not "owed" jobs. Why would you be owed a job?

• NoMoreNicksLeft 11mo ago
  Yes, they are owed these jobs. But even if you reject that, the practical argument is that if we conduct society/civilization in a manner in which there are not enough jobs to go around, then they have no disincentive from burning it all down with the rest of us chained inside the building. This is the price of us building our civilization such that we left nothing for anyone to live without civilization... everyone has to get a livelihood or at least the potential for one, and we refuse to pay that price at our own peril. This should be plainly obvious to anyone who bothers to think about it for even two minutes. I don't claim that they're "owed living wages", or "good jobs" or even "non-awful jobs". All those details can be hashed out later, no need to force them from the top down. But the "everyone working age gets a job if they want it" is extraordinarily non-negotiable.
  • fastball 11mo ago
    So your argument is: people will get mad if we don't bequeath them employment. That's it? What if they get mad because their wages aren't living wages? What then? Why shouldn't they be owed living wages or owed non-awful jobs? Jobs do not grow on trees. They are not harvested from the ether. It is the responsibility of every individual to provide for their own needs. If that requires getting a job, so be it. But you can also create your own job(s). There is more than enough opportunity for every working age person to provide for the needs of others and get provision in return. That is what civilization should be ensuring, not pre-packaged "jobs".