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I would say that any U.S. citizen living in an area of focus who is even vaguely latino and/or does not speak English well should obtain a U.S. "passport card"
by chasil 1y ago
I would say that any U.S. citizen living in an area of focus who is even vaguely latino and/or does not speak English well should obtain a U.S. "passport card" and carry it on their person at all times, as a federally issued ID. It's $65 for the first application, and $30 at renewals. In this context, the passport card is much more valuable than a state-issued ID.
You know if your children should have them.
A real passport at home is also wise, in case these ruffians "lose" the card.
It is intolerable that U.S. citizens are detained in this way.
- mystraline 1y agoWhen the "do you belong here? " is a non-sarcastic adaptation of the Family guy skin color meme, no amount of 'proper IDs' will do shit. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/family-guy-skin-color-chart https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/family-guy-skin-color-chart
- testing22321 1y agoICE have the official policy that no paperwork is sufficient to prove citizenship. The only source of truth it their biometrics app https://www.404media.co/you-cant-refuse-to-be-scanned-by-ices-facial-recognition-app-dhs-document-says/ https://www.404media.co/you-cant-refuse-to-be-scanned-by-ice...
- chasil 1y agoThat will certainly not work for children, as their faces change. I live in Illinois. Since Republican governor Ryan gave chauffers licenses to undocumented immigrants (resulting in fatalities), it is certain that an Illinois license is worthless. I had hoped that an ID issued by the U.S. Department of State would be a safeguard. Perhaps not, but wise to obtain both forms, for the judge.
- testing22321 1y ago> That will certainly not work for children, as their faces change. I think that is the point.
- EasyMark 1y agoThat and they don't care. I think they are selected to be robots for the regime, and their training eventually expanded for all police work as a private army for the King. I don't believe that they are just for "ICE activities". Their budget dwarfs others like the DEA and CIA now with the "big bogus bill". Reminds me of certain other historical police force origins.
- ethbr1 1y ago> Their budget dwarfs others like the DEA and CIA now with the "big bogus bill" What numbers are you looking at? For reference, FY25 budgets: "CIA budget" (which isn't publicly split from the general IC top line authorizations): $73.4 B for NIP and $28.2 B for MIP https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF10524 https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF10524 ICE: $28.7 B (after OBBB increase) https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/big-budget-act-creates-deportation-industrial-complex https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/big-... DEA: $3.3 B https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/FY-2025-Budget-Highlights.pdf https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024...
- Tadpole9181 1y agoQuite frankly, are you so naive as to think they give a shit? ICE is a gestapo and who they want to be illegal is illegal and can be whisked away. No consequences, no retaliation. They now have an all-knowing oracle who tells them the ultimate truth, all evidence be damned.
- chasil 1y agoThen none of these documents are worth the paper upon which they are printed, and the advice has provable negative value? Do tell. https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-removal-expansion/ https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-re...
- amypetrik8 1y agohola amigos, ca habla un americano el citizeno --- que? no hablo ingles.
- defrost 1y agoPuorte o' calzone cu 'nu stemma arreto 'na cuppulella cu 'a visiera alzata. Passe scampanianno pe' Tuleto camme a 'nu guappo pe' te fa guardà! Tu vuò fa l' americano! ammericano! mmericano siente a me, chi t' ho fa fa? ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqlJwMFtMCs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqlJwMFtMCs Translated by Australians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E9Ed9DUQoQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E9Ed9DUQoQ
- Tadpole9181 1y agoThe DHS and ICE just randomly changed rules to this articles "expedited" process, officially declared that no paper documents count - only their homebrew app, and are now engaging mass raids without evidence or warrants that cause damage to people and their property with no means of reconciliation; this includes targeting home-born American citizens. This article is explicitly reactive and says so itself! None of these documents mean just about anything anymore - yesterday it was A, today it is B, tomorrow it is C. The rule of law has broken down in America. We've seen an entire national campaign about a man deported to a prison in a country he was being protected from. The administration has been caught with numerous citizens now. While arguing they have no requirement of due process and have a right to deport anyone anywhere they please. There's not negative value, you should still do it and hope there's still someone to stop them somewhere in the process. But believing this is simply a matter of "getting your papers in order" or explaining how "this is a bad idea" to them is nuts... as if the Nazis ever cared about the papers. If a Nazi official wanted you gone, you were gone. That's how fascism works. And before I hear anyone say "oh, please, Nazis, don't be irrational", Greg Bovino is effectively the commander-at-large of CBP. Today he did a Nazi salute in front of a crowd of people. And that's what America is, just 10 months in. An authoritarian police state with a Gestapo that's rapidly escalating. With no one left to stop them, it seems, what with local LEO and the NG and SCOTUS and Congress all being in on the game.
- nobody9999 1y ago>Perhaps not, but wise to obtain both forms, for the judge. Judge? What judge? If the ICE app says you're "Illegal," your documents don't mean anything and you're subject to deportation without due process. And that's not a mistake either. It's designed to allow these folks to disappear whoever they like, regardless of their status. And if by some bit of luck you manage to be able to challenge such thuggery, it will just be blamed on the "false positives." Oops. "Oh, sorry. That 8th generation citizen anti-Trump activist was murdered at CECOT. We screwed up. Sorry. We'll ('pinky swear') try to avoid that in the future." Edit: Added missing (at the end of a sentence no less!) preposition.
- Uehreka 1y agoI get that you’re trying to help, but trying to find a bureaucratic/technical workaround through original research and proffering it as advice is not a super helpful thing to do right now. At this phase of the game, the best advice you can give people is to follow immigration lawyers and long-time activists on social media and do what they advise. I know we’re all used to being the problem-solvers in the room, but this is a time where those of us without specific expertise need to take direction from those who do.
- chasil 1y agoI get that you yourself have not researched this problem. These are worthless? Notice this section: "Carry with you evidence of lawful entry or current lawful status in the United States if you have it." https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-removal-expansion/ https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-re... Edit: I went to Medellín, Colombia recently, and going through immigration, I said that I was there for my birthday. The officer then asked me, "That was May xxth?" I responded, "No, my birthday is August yyth." She handed it back and waived me through. Anyone making a mistake with details will see greater scrutiny.
- giraffe_lady 1y agoPlease just take the good advice you were given. This response only proves how out of your depth you are here. We are currently trying to get my neighbor proof of citizenship so he can get out. He is a US citizen who had his passport on him when ICE took him. Now he has no passport.
- chasil 1y agoThis is precisely why the passport card should be carried, but the paper passport should be left at home.
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