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If country B doesn’t like it, block the site in question. You’re not going to extradite US site operators, period. Find another approach.

mlhpdx 1y ago
That’s what they’re doing
- iamnothere 1y ago
  No, they are making threats about the site in country A while the site has voluntarily blocked all of country B, with country B saying that this isn’t enough, despite the operators in country A being out of jurisdiction and making an effort to comply regardless. Country B is basically saying that the site in country A is not allowed on the internet at all.
- pirates 1y ago
  It’s not at all what they’re doing, and claiming so is either extreme ignorance of the situation or deliberately lying.
aDyslecticCrow 1y ago
Then no country should have legal authority over companies operating in the country but based internationally. You could earn a lot of money by selling unregistered firearms, pipe bombs or drugs over the internet and sending it over the border. "If country B doesn’t like it, block the mail in question". Saying only the country of origin can regulate activity done in another country creates a legal worm-bucket with vast implications. It's also not how laws work currently in pretty much any other sector than the internet. IP block should be sufficient to void the laws; That's how other EU laws work. If the UK wants more than than then they should just create a firewall. But saying the internet should be a fully unregulated hellscape is not a sensible position here.
- iamnothere 1y ago
  > "If country B doesn’t like it, block the mail in question" That’s actually how it works? Unless you have an extradition agreement, or military overmatch, or you are willing to expend some diplomatic leverage, you are typically not getting a citizen out of a foreign country. The government complains about this all the time with goods from SE Asia, and sometimes they seize fake designer goods and make a lot of noise about it. But the people making the knockoffs just keep on making them, don’t they?
  - aDyslecticCrow 1y ago
    just because a law is difficult to enforce doesn't make it not exist. There are laws for this, and they are enforced. If you aint caught its not illegal?
    - iamnothere 1y ago
      Typically one-sided laws are not enforced against citizens of foreign countries except in rare cases, because it creates diplomatic friction. Countries really don’t like it when you arrest their citizens for things that aren’t illegal at home. And when one country has enormous leverage over another, it’s a bad idea for the less powerful country to attempt enforcement. A visa ban would usually be a more appropriate tactic.
- Silhouette 1y ago
  Then no country should have legal authority over companies operating in the country but based internationally. But this is the real issue. To what extent is a company "operating in" a country where it has no staff and no physical presence? The principle that someone should become subject to the laws of a country they've never visited and where they have no assets just because they communicated with someone else who does live in that country seems questionable. Even if money is sent by the person living in that country to someone based elsewhere it still seems questionable. Taken to their logical conclusion these kinds of arguments would kill off a lot of the value of the modern Internet (assuming they could be practically enforced). Can you even write a blog post any more if it might be controversial in any country in the world? Do you have to pay if you show ads next to that blog post and someone from the Sovereign Republic Of East Nowhere visits - but the Sovereign Republic Of East Nowhere has a law prohibiting online advertising as a social harm and imposing a fine of 1000% of global revenues generated through ads? What happens when the laws of two different countries are in direct conflict and one requires you to include an official warning of some kind alongside certain information on your blog but the other one prohibits such statements unless you're formally qualified to give advice in the field? If you want to interfere with international trade or international communications at all then it makes far more sense practically - and arguably both morally and legally as well - to legislate so that your own people in your own country who are subject to your own laws are the ones who must or must not act in a certain way. If there's some kind of regulation on physical goods then make the person importing those goods responsible for compliance. If you want to tax international transactions then make the person in your country who is participating in those transactions responsible for declaring and paying the tax. But realistically this leads to a lot of non-compliance because your citizens don't have to be experts in international tax law so you can collect your $1.53 when they bought a new T-shirt from some online store based in another country and had it shipped.

mlhpdx 1y ago

That’s what they’re doing

iamnothere 1y ago
No, they are making threats about the site in country A while the site has voluntarily blocked all of country B, with country B saying that this isn’t enough, despite the operators in country A being out of jurisdiction and making an effort to comply regardless. Country B is basically saying that the site in country A is not allowed on the internet at all.
pirates 1y ago
It’s not at all what they’re doing, and claiming so is either extreme ignorance of the situation or deliberately lying.

aDyslecticCrow 1y ago

Then no country should have legal authority over companies operating in the country but based internationally. You could earn a lot of money by selling unregistered firearms, pipe bombs or drugs over the internet and sending it over the border. "If country B doesn’t like it, block the mail in question". Saying only the country of origin can regulate activity done in another country creates a legal worm-bucket with vast implications. It's also not how laws work currently in pretty much any other sector than the internet. IP block should be sufficient to void the laws; That's how other EU laws work. If the UK wants more than than then they should just create a firewall. But saying the internet should be a fully unregulated hellscape is not a sensible position here.

iamnothere 1y ago
> "If country B doesn’t like it, block the mail in question" That’s actually how it works? Unless you have an extradition agreement, or military overmatch, or you are willing to expend some diplomatic leverage, you are typically not getting a citizen out of a foreign country. The government complains about this all the time with goods from SE Asia, and sometimes they seize fake designer goods and make a lot of noise about it. But the people making the knockoffs just keep on making them, don’t they?
- aDyslecticCrow 1y ago
  just because a law is difficult to enforce doesn't make it not exist. There are laws for this, and they are enforced. If you aint caught its not illegal?
  - iamnothere 1y ago
    Typically one-sided laws are not enforced against citizens of foreign countries except in rare cases, because it creates diplomatic friction. Countries really don’t like it when you arrest their citizens for things that aren’t illegal at home. And when one country has enormous leverage over another, it’s a bad idea for the less powerful country to attempt enforcement. A visa ban would usually be a more appropriate tactic.
Silhouette 1y ago
Then no country should have legal authority over companies operating in the country but based internationally. But this is the real issue. To what extent is a company "operating in" a country where it has no staff and no physical presence? The principle that someone should become subject to the laws of a country they've never visited and where they have no assets just because they communicated with someone else who does live in that country seems questionable. Even if money is sent by the person living in that country to someone based elsewhere it still seems questionable. Taken to their logical conclusion these kinds of arguments would kill off a lot of the value of the modern Internet (assuming they could be practically enforced). Can you even write a blog post any more if it might be controversial in any country in the world? Do you have to pay if you show ads next to that blog post and someone from the Sovereign Republic Of East Nowhere visits - but the Sovereign Republic Of East Nowhere has a law prohibiting online advertising as a social harm and imposing a fine of 1000% of global revenues generated through ads? What happens when the laws of two different countries are in direct conflict and one requires you to include an official warning of some kind alongside certain information on your blog but the other one prohibits such statements unless you're formally qualified to give advice in the field? If you want to interfere with international trade or international communications at all then it makes far more sense practically - and arguably both morally and legally as well - to legislate so that your own people in your own country who are subject to your own laws are the ones who must or must not act in a certain way. If there's some kind of regulation on physical goods then make the person importing those goods responsible for compliance. If you want to tax international transactions then make the person in your country who is participating in those transactions responsible for declaring and paying the tax. But realistically this leads to a lot of non-compliance because your citizens don't have to be experts in international tax law so you can collect your $1.53 when they bought a new T-shirt from some online store based in another country and had it shipped.