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I recently saw a video of armed, masked ICE terrorists entering a daycare and forcibly dragging a teacher out in front of babies and toddlers. America is sick.

by fogzen 11mo ago

I recently saw a video of armed, masked ICE terrorists entering a daycare and forcibly dragging a teacher out in front of babies and toddlers. America is sick. Republicans are sick. They condone this and have made no attempt to do anything about it.

inemesitaffia 11mo ago
>teacher Citizen or legal immigrant? Carer or teacher?
- nicbou 11mo ago
  Would one of the combinations make it acceptable?
  - inemesitaffia 11mo ago
    I'm looking for the appropriate description of what's going on. Somehow I'm led to believe it's okay to move into any country and Bhutan's restrictions on visitors are a-okay in the same breath. Canada's not far and it's not true there either.
    - fogzen 11mo ago
      The problem is not immigration policy — it’s using terror, illegal detainment, and negligent and excessive force to detain people. Breaking into a daycare with no warrant, no identification (they wear masks and refuse to identify themselves to avoid justice for their crimes), with guns, and dragging a woman out kicking and screaming is both completely illegal in every way and extremely traumatic for everyone - regardless of the wanton cruelty of deporting working class undocumented immigrants who have become a contributing and otherwise law-abiding part of a community.
      - inemesitaffia 11mo ago
        I don't think the courts will agree. The presence of a person without a valid visa is illegal and the person working without a working visa is another illegality. Not reporting your presence to the authorities is another level. Otherwise doesn't erase that. >avoid justice for their crimes Some other fact free nonsense. Yes the drama and force is extra, but it's not illegal, or unprecedented as I'll have you know from seeing video of immigration raids in the past, from the UK, Canada, Sweden and Australia, or pre 49 immigration raids. There's two classes of people who support this blatant criminality. The business class who relies on legal and illegal immigration + outsourcing to force down local and market wages. And the solidarity crew who are completely pro open borders without restrictions and couch it in other excuses. Borders are violence, they argue. While complaining about settlers and occupiers of indigenous land. It's a circle you can't square.
        UncleMeat 11mo ago
        The state is not allowed to use unlimited force against people suspected of having broken the law. Half of the bill of rights is about the rights of criminal and civil defendants (more if we include the 9th). The law requires that law enforcement has a specific kind of warrant in order to enter a location without permission and detain somebody. This law is regularly being broken by agents. "Oh, they are illegal so whatever" is horrifying.
        inemesitaffia 11mo ago
        I can tell it's you that down voted me. Agents can enter buildings without warrants under limited circumstances. It's not a hard bar. Ordinarily when any crime is in plain view or in chase of a fleeing suspect, or (dubiously) when the individual is believed to be part of a proscribed organisation. Administrative warrants are okay when there's a specific record of an individual being there. Like if the website for the organisation posts the person as being an employee amongst other reasons. Regardless, none of these bar the deportation of people caught up. Horrifying is just your opinion. What's fact is all these are just objections to deportation of people not supposed to be in the country. They can file their civil rights claims

by fogzen 11mo ago

inemesitaffia 11mo ago

>teacher Citizen or legal immigrant? Carer or teacher?

nicbou 11mo ago
Would one of the combinations make it acceptable?
- inemesitaffia 11mo ago
  I'm looking for the appropriate description of what's going on. Somehow I'm led to believe it's okay to move into any country and Bhutan's restrictions on visitors are a-okay in the same breath. Canada's not far and it's not true there either.
  - fogzen 11mo ago
    The problem is not immigration policy — it’s using terror, illegal detainment, and negligent and excessive force to detain people. Breaking into a daycare with no warrant, no identification (they wear masks and refuse to identify themselves to avoid justice for their crimes), with guns, and dragging a woman out kicking and screaming is both completely illegal in every way and extremely traumatic for everyone - regardless of the wanton cruelty of deporting working class undocumented immigrants who have become a contributing and otherwise law-abiding part of a community.
    - inemesitaffia 11mo ago
      I don't think the courts will agree. The presence of a person without a valid visa is illegal and the person working without a working visa is another illegality. Not reporting your presence to the authorities is another level. Otherwise doesn't erase that. >avoid justice for their crimes Some other fact free nonsense. Yes the drama and force is extra, but it's not illegal, or unprecedented as I'll have you know from seeing video of immigration raids in the past, from the UK, Canada, Sweden and Australia, or pre 49 immigration raids. There's two classes of people who support this blatant criminality. The business class who relies on legal and illegal immigration + outsourcing to force down local and market wages. And the solidarity crew who are completely pro open borders without restrictions and couch it in other excuses. Borders are violence, they argue. While complaining about settlers and occupiers of indigenous land. It's a circle you can't square.
      - UncleMeat 11mo ago
        The state is not allowed to use unlimited force against people suspected of having broken the law. Half of the bill of rights is about the rights of criminal and civil defendants (more if we include the 9th). The law requires that law enforcement has a specific kind of warrant in order to enter a location without permission and detain somebody. This law is regularly being broken by agents. "Oh, they are illegal so whatever" is horrifying.
        inemesitaffia 11mo ago
        I can tell it's you that down voted me. Agents can enter buildings without warrants under limited circumstances. It's not a hard bar. Ordinarily when any crime is in plain view or in chase of a fleeing suspect, or (dubiously) when the individual is believed to be part of a proscribed organisation. Administrative warrants are okay when there's a specific record of an individual being there. Like if the website for the organisation posts the person as being an employee amongst other reasons. Regardless, none of these bar the deportation of people caught up. Horrifying is just your opinion. What's fact is all these are just objections to deportation of people not supposed to be in the country. They can file their civil rights claims