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A large part of this lawlessness is rooted in nonnormative behavior. But! there are basic protections we could have right now if we demanded them. First and for

by thechao 11mo ago

A large part of this lawlessness is rooted in nonnormative behavior. But! there are basic protections we could have right now if we demanded them. First and foremost: the Bivens Act; specifically, the right to bring suit in State court against Federal agents. Presidential pardons can't help these thugs in State persons.

tedivm 11mo ago
Until the supreme court overturns that.
- tanjtanjtanj 11mo ago
  They already did, more or less. The supreme court ruled that unless your case is virtually a carbon-copy of an existing Bivens case then it doesn't count. The current supreme court does not respect precedent in any meaningful way.
- thechao 11mo ago
  Bivens act, not case. The act modifies the statutes. It's been read but not voted on. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/3343 https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/334...
georgemcbay 11mo ago
Unfortunately the Bivens act was already heavily neutered well before this current trainwreck of a Supreme Court we have now was fully assembled (saving them the trouble of having to neuter it themselves): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fktQUIkf6o0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fktQUIkf6o0
armada651 11mo ago
Don't they all have qualified immunity nowadays?
- mystraline 11mo ago
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  - lurk2 11mo ago
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    - esseph 11mo ago
      Laws and morality often conflict. The US is currently attacking foreign citizens outside the United States without due process. Israel has multiple government members currently with warrants for arrest for genocide. Just because something is legal or illegal doesn't make it right.
      - lurk2 11mo ago
        > The US is currently attacking foreign citizens outside the United States without due process. This is how Osama Bin Laden justified 9/11. To be clear, virtually all of those being deported do not have a legal right to reside in the United States. The number who are deported erroneously measures in the tens, not the hundreds, but even if it were in the tens of thousands, that would not morally justify the extrajudicial killings of law enforcement personnel unless you could somehow demonstrate that these deportations were part of a concerted effort to murder people. > Israel has multiple government members currently with warrants for arrest for genocide. The deportation of foreign nationals residing in the United States illegally is not even remotely comparable to what is happening in Gaza.
        esseph 11mo ago
        You assumed for some reason I was talking about deporting people and not attacking people in boats with hellfire missiles. "Remotely comparable" or not, I was discussing the disconnect between legal and moral.
        11mo ago

by thechao 11mo ago

tedivm 11mo ago

Until the supreme court overturns that.

tanjtanjtanj 11mo ago
They already did, more or less. The supreme court ruled that unless your case is virtually a carbon-copy of an existing Bivens case then it doesn't count. The current supreme court does not respect precedent in any meaningful way.
thechao 11mo ago
Bivens act, not case. The act modifies the statutes. It's been read but not voted on. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/3343 https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/334...

georgemcbay 11mo ago

Unfortunately the Bivens act was already heavily neutered well before this current trainwreck of a Supreme Court we have now was fully assembled (saving them the trouble of having to neuter it themselves): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fktQUIkf6o0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fktQUIkf6o0

armada651 11mo ago

Don't they all have qualified immunity nowadays?

mystraline 11mo ago
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- lurk2 11mo ago
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  - esseph 11mo ago
    Laws and morality often conflict. The US is currently attacking foreign citizens outside the United States without due process. Israel has multiple government members currently with warrants for arrest for genocide. Just because something is legal or illegal doesn't make it right.
    - lurk2 11mo ago
      > The US is currently attacking foreign citizens outside the United States without due process. This is how Osama Bin Laden justified 9/11. To be clear, virtually all of those being deported do not have a legal right to reside in the United States. The number who are deported erroneously measures in the tens, not the hundreds, but even if it were in the tens of thousands, that would not morally justify the extrajudicial killings of law enforcement personnel unless you could somehow demonstrate that these deportations were part of a concerted effort to murder people. > Israel has multiple government members currently with warrants for arrest for genocide. The deportation of foreign nationals residing in the United States illegally is not even remotely comparable to what is happening in Gaza.
      - esseph 11mo ago
        You assumed for some reason I was talking about deporting people and not attacking people in boats with hellfire missiles. "Remotely comparable" or not, I was discussing the disconnect between legal and moral.
        11mo ago