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What makes you think they didn’t? What makes you think this is the solution to that problem?

by numbsafari 11mo ago

jghn 11mo ago
I'd like to know what makes them think this actually happened in the first place
- lurk2 11mo ago
  50 every weekend is an exaggeration, but more people were murdered in Chicago from 2001 to 2021 than American soldiers died during the Global War on Terror (6,593 died in Iraq and Afghanistan vs. 11,561 in Chicago). This is something of a red herring though as somewhere around 75% of those murders are black-on-black, with only a minority involving Latinos. Chicago primarily attracts attention not because of its murder rate (#22 in the country vs. Detroit at #5), but instead due to the size of its population and the prevalence of violent music that has come out of the region.
  - Gibbon1 11mo ago
    My take the high murder rate among blacks in Chicago is due to Slavery, Jim Crow, followed by decades of racist therefor ineffective policing. That toxic racism is also what's motivating the ICE terrorizing.
  - aftbit 11mo ago
    Not to dispute your point, but the GWoT was shockingly low casualty for the Americans. Almost 10x as many Americans died in the Vietnam war (58,281 US military KIA), mostly between 1965 and 1971, peaking at 16,899 in '68 alone. There are lots of reasons for this, including the different styles and intensities of fighting, the soldiers used (GWoT was all volunteer after all), improvements in transport and trauma care, and the sheer technological lead that the US held. GWoT was really an example of punching down counterinsurgency, not a real "war" in a lot of ways.
  - remexre 11mo ago
    Not counting, of course, the 30,177 suicides by American veterans in the wake of the global war on terror. https://costsofwar.watson.brown.edu/sites/default/files/papers/Suitt-Suicides.pdf https://costsofwar.watson.brown.edu/sites/default/files/pape...
blindriver 11mo ago
My point is everyone has been silent about Chicago's violence for decades, and only now they seem to care because it's not Black people being targeted. It's straight up racism to not care about Black people's welfare but care only when it's other people being endangered.
- daseiner1 11mo ago
  citizens shooting other citizens is radically different than the federal government lighting legal protections on fire and then pissing on the ashes. wholly disingenuous to compare the two. but yours is the standard misdirect on anything "Chicago" so I'm confident being disingenuous was intentional.
  - lurk2 11mo ago
    What legal protections are being infringed upon?
    - galangalalgol 11mo ago
      The 4th amendment it would seem? Wrongful arrest, unlawful search and seizure, aggravated assault with a lethal weapon...
      - lurk2 11mo ago
        When? Where? The instances listed in the article are not compelling. Here’s an excerpt from the second article: > According to Homeland Security deputy secretary Tricia McLaughlin, officers were trying to conduct a “targeted traffic stop” of a car registered to a “female illegal alien,” but the male driver “refused to pull the vehicle over.” > “Law enforcement pursued the vehicle before the assailant sped into a shopping plaza where he and the female passenger fled the vehicle,” according to McLaughlin. > “They ran into a daycare and attempted to barricade themselves inside the daycare — recklessly endangering the children inside,” she said. From the third article: > The agents, who were armed but did not draw their weapons, pushed other people who were looking to intervene, he said. […] > The woman who was arrested is from Colombia and does not have legal immigration status, Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said. If you have information about this issue that isn’t present in the articles linked, feel free to provide it.

What makes you think they didn’t? What makes you think this is the solution to that problem?

jghn 11mo ago

I'd like to know what makes them think this actually happened in the first place

lurk2 11mo ago
50 every weekend is an exaggeration, but more people were murdered in Chicago from 2001 to 2021 than American soldiers died during the Global War on Terror (6,593 died in Iraq and Afghanistan vs. 11,561 in Chicago). This is something of a red herring though as somewhere around 75% of those murders are black-on-black, with only a minority involving Latinos. Chicago primarily attracts attention not because of its murder rate (#22 in the country vs. Detroit at #5), but instead due to the size of its population and the prevalence of violent music that has come out of the region.
- Gibbon1 11mo ago
  My take the high murder rate among blacks in Chicago is due to Slavery, Jim Crow, followed by decades of racist therefor ineffective policing. That toxic racism is also what's motivating the ICE terrorizing.
- aftbit 11mo ago
  Not to dispute your point, but the GWoT was shockingly low casualty for the Americans. Almost 10x as many Americans died in the Vietnam war (58,281 US military KIA), mostly between 1965 and 1971, peaking at 16,899 in '68 alone. There are lots of reasons for this, including the different styles and intensities of fighting, the soldiers used (GWoT was all volunteer after all), improvements in transport and trauma care, and the sheer technological lead that the US held. GWoT was really an example of punching down counterinsurgency, not a real "war" in a lot of ways.
- remexre 11mo ago
  Not counting, of course, the 30,177 suicides by American veterans in the wake of the global war on terror. https://costsofwar.watson.brown.edu/sites/default/files/papers/Suitt-Suicides.pdf https://costsofwar.watson.brown.edu/sites/default/files/pape...

blindriver 11mo ago

My point is everyone has been silent about Chicago's violence for decades, and only now they seem to care because it's not Black people being targeted. It's straight up racism to not care about Black people's welfare but care only when it's other people being endangered.

daseiner1 11mo ago
citizens shooting other citizens is radically different than the federal government lighting legal protections on fire and then pissing on the ashes. wholly disingenuous to compare the two. but yours is the standard misdirect on anything "Chicago" so I'm confident being disingenuous was intentional.
- lurk2 11mo ago
  What legal protections are being infringed upon?
  - galangalalgol 11mo ago
    The 4th amendment it would seem? Wrongful arrest, unlawful search and seizure, aggravated assault with a lethal weapon...
    - lurk2 11mo ago
      When? Where? The instances listed in the article are not compelling. Here’s an excerpt from the second article: > According to Homeland Security deputy secretary Tricia McLaughlin, officers were trying to conduct a “targeted traffic stop” of a car registered to a “female illegal alien,” but the male driver “refused to pull the vehicle over.” > “Law enforcement pursued the vehicle before the assailant sped into a shopping plaza where he and the female passenger fled the vehicle,” according to McLaughlin. > “They ran into a daycare and attempted to barricade themselves inside the daycare — recklessly endangering the children inside,” she said. From the third article: > The agents, who were armed but did not draw their weapons, pushed other people who were looking to intervene, he said. […] > The woman who was arrested is from Colombia and does not have legal immigration status, Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said. If you have information about this issue that isn’t present in the articles linked, feel free to provide it.