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> have incredible commercial potential That assertion is unsupported and unproven. Also, if a commercial use for LLMs is ever found, it will be in the local,

> have incredible commercial potential That assertion is unsupported and unproven. Also, if a commercial use for LLMs is ever found, it will be in the local, personal computing market, not the "cloud".

diamond559 11mo ago
It's actually completely been disproven, Open"AI" is burning over ten billion a quarter in net losses. It has no commercial value.
- shakow 11mo ago
  To play the Devil's advocate, OpenAI actually has hundreds of millions in income, even though they are spending far more in training new models.
  - rhetocj23 11mo ago
    The issue is, as it stands, LLMs are going to become a commodity. Could that happen and OAI is still a valuable firm? Maybe. Do I personally think OpenAI has the product prowess to pull it off? Nah, I think they are overly-concentrated with technologists (same problem Google has). Apple is still king when it comes to figuring out the ideal form of the product the buyer desires. Apple can take a future OSS model and produce the winning product. That truth would be very bitter for many to swallow. Cook maintaining good relations with China could be the thing that makes Apple topple everyone in the long-run.
  - otabdeveloper4 11mo ago
    > has hundreds of millions in income By selling a dollar for ninety cents? This metric is meaningless.
michaelbarton 11mo ago
Aren’t LLMs being used by business successfully in many “unsexy” domains like translation, sentiment analysis, and image recognition? Though I do agree that many of the breathless claims that you can stop hiring or even layoff developers because of LLMs seem unsubstantiated
- layer8 11mo ago
  I wouldn't characterize that as “incredible commercial potential”. And especially in the case of translation, you save some of money, but also get poorer quality.
  - michaelbarton 11mo ago
    Speaking from experience I was recently in a tiny fountain pen shop in Sendai[0] where the owner doesn’t speak English and I don’t speak Japanese but we were able to talk for an hour or more about fountain pens and tomoe river paper alternatives using Google translate’s dialogue feature. Maybe not massive commercial potential but it was pretty amazing and reminded me a bit of the Babel fish which use to seem like impossible sci-fi [0]: https://share.google/64xTBRThXcFR72r3G https://share.google/64xTBRThXcFR72r3G

diamond559 11mo ago

It's actually completely been disproven, Open"AI" is burning over ten billion a quarter in net losses. It has no commercial value.

shakow 11mo ago
To play the Devil's advocate, OpenAI actually has hundreds of millions in income, even though they are spending far more in training new models.
- rhetocj23 11mo ago
  The issue is, as it stands, LLMs are going to become a commodity. Could that happen and OAI is still a valuable firm? Maybe. Do I personally think OpenAI has the product prowess to pull it off? Nah, I think they are overly-concentrated with technologists (same problem Google has). Apple is still king when it comes to figuring out the ideal form of the product the buyer desires. Apple can take a future OSS model and produce the winning product. That truth would be very bitter for many to swallow. Cook maintaining good relations with China could be the thing that makes Apple topple everyone in the long-run.
- otabdeveloper4 11mo ago
  > has hundreds of millions in income By selling a dollar for ninety cents? This metric is meaningless.

michaelbarton 11mo ago

Aren’t LLMs being used by business successfully in many “unsexy” domains like translation, sentiment analysis, and image recognition? Though I do agree that many of the breathless claims that you can stop hiring or even layoff developers because of LLMs seem unsubstantiated

layer8 11mo ago
I wouldn't characterize that as “incredible commercial potential”. And especially in the case of translation, you save some of money, but also get poorer quality.
- michaelbarton 11mo ago
  Speaking from experience I was recently in a tiny fountain pen shop in Sendai[0] where the owner doesn’t speak English and I don’t speak Japanese but we were able to talk for an hour or more about fountain pens and tomoe river paper alternatives using Google translate’s dialogue feature. Maybe not massive commercial potential but it was pretty amazing and reminded me a bit of the Babel fish which use to seem like impossible sci-fi [0]: https://share.google/64xTBRThXcFR72r3G https://share.google/64xTBRThXcFR72r3G