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I don't think Sam Altman should have been fired even after reading this. It's definitely bad behavior but I was expecting something more significant. The conseq

I don't think Sam Altman should have been fired even after reading this. It's definitely bad behavior but I was expecting something more significant. The consequences don't match the crime.

rifty 1y ago
“All four of us who fired him came to the conclusion that we just couldn’t believe things that Sam was telling us, and that’s just a completely unworkable place to be in as a board — especially a board that is supposed to be providing independent oversight over the company, not just helping the CEO to raise more money.” I think I have to disagree here because they talk about loss of trust. Loss of trust is enough when deciding who you want to work associate with. Firing seems steep, but when working with someone feels forever untenable, your options are really you or them exiting. There's not really an in-between option to balance the response for how much the issue crossed the line of trust when you don't see it coming back. Maybe they shouldn't have lost total trust at Sam's behaviour. But personally I'd lean towards it being a pretty normal response from people existing in the environment itself; whom are at the time feeling the active shift effect Sam was having on the power balance to their detriment.
- Atreiden 1y ago
  > especially a board that is supposed to be providing independent oversight over the company This is an important point. OpenAI is a nonprofit who's stated mission is to ensure that AI benefits all of humanity. Overseeing the business entity that exists under it's umbrella, and ensuring that the actions it takes are in accordance with that mission, is THE critical component of the boards job. This structure is very weird for a non-profit, and the stakes here are existential. If you cannot trust the CEO of the company to not deceive and manipulate you, you absolutely cannot have confidence that the companies actions will conform to their mission. Altman is a sociopath and they should have never caved to his political machinations
zhengiszen 1y ago
It is called trust, that's what was lacking in their relationship.
9rx 1y ago
Like others have said, Altman didn't provide trust. That's the very thing a CEO is expected to do. That is their job. A CEO not being able to offer trust is like a programmer not being able to build programs. You'd fire said programmer, no?
jalapenos 1y ago
The dude is clearly a slippery snake. What's not clear is what special sauce he brings, beyond being a slippery snake, that someone else couldn't bring.
- Zigurd 1y ago
  He finagled a few billion dollars out of Microsoft. I'd bet that Microsoft had a word with the coup plotters, and that's why Sam Altman got his job back.
Zigurd 1y ago
Both sides were nerds playing office politics, as badly as nerds generally do.

I don't think Sam Altman should have been fired even after reading this. It's definitely bad behavior but I was expecting something more significant. The consequences don't match the crime.

rifty 1y ago

“All four of us who fired him came to the conclusion that we just couldn’t believe things that Sam was telling us, and that’s just a completely unworkable place to be in as a board — especially a board that is supposed to be providing independent oversight over the company, not just helping the CEO to raise more money.” I think I have to disagree here because they talk about loss of trust. Loss of trust is enough when deciding who you want to work associate with. Firing seems steep, but when working with someone feels forever untenable, your options are really you or them exiting. There's not really an in-between option to balance the response for how much the issue crossed the line of trust when you don't see it coming back. Maybe they shouldn't have lost total trust at Sam's behaviour. But personally I'd lean towards it being a pretty normal response from people existing in the environment itself; whom are at the time feeling the active shift effect Sam was having on the power balance to their detriment.

Atreiden 1y ago
> especially a board that is supposed to be providing independent oversight over the company This is an important point. OpenAI is a nonprofit who's stated mission is to ensure that AI benefits all of humanity. Overseeing the business entity that exists under it's umbrella, and ensuring that the actions it takes are in accordance with that mission, is THE critical component of the boards job. This structure is very weird for a non-profit, and the stakes here are existential. If you cannot trust the CEO of the company to not deceive and manipulate you, you absolutely cannot have confidence that the companies actions will conform to their mission. Altman is a sociopath and they should have never caved to his political machinations

zhengiszen 1y ago

It is called trust, that's what was lacking in their relationship.

9rx 1y ago

Like others have said, Altman didn't provide trust. That's the very thing a CEO is expected to do. That is their job. A CEO not being able to offer trust is like a programmer not being able to build programs. You'd fire said programmer, no?

jalapenos 1y ago

The dude is clearly a slippery snake. What's not clear is what special sauce he brings, beyond being a slippery snake, that someone else couldn't bring.

Zigurd 1y ago
He finagled a few billion dollars out of Microsoft. I'd bet that Microsoft had a word with the coup plotters, and that's why Sam Altman got his job back.

Zigurd 1y ago

Both sides were nerds playing office politics, as badly as nerds generally do.