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What exactly did it do? And why can't it do that anymore?
by stevage 1y ago
What exactly did it do? And why can't it do that anymore?
- supriyo-biswas 1y agoMost likely that people are switching to LLM based search products in droves and the real demand is there.
- therein 1y agoMaybe you are but people are certainly not switching to LLM based search products in droves. It is the exact opposite for me. Everyone hates the LLM based search products in my circles. Just look at this shitshow. https://imgur.com/a/lAd3UHn https://imgur.com/a/lAd3UHn
- jdiff 1y agoYour circles might have a little more technical literacy than most. I'm working part time in retail at a hardware store currently and the amount of people who come in looking for parts specified exclusively by a single AI overview is mindboggling. People repairing car engines come in looking for bolts with specific lengths, materials, and thread pitches that AI told them they needed. I haven't had anyone come back and explicitly tell me that AI led them wrong, but I'm sure they've had to make multiple trips back out here.
- zx8080 1y agoHardware repairs done by AI recommendations sounds really scary and dangerous.
- DrewADesign 1y agoTBF: people overconfident in their DIY fixing skills are precisely the sort replacing searches with an LLM query.
- tharkun__ 1y agoWhen I search switching to LLM based search products in droves. it says The shift towards LLM-based search products is significant as they offer more conversational and personalized responses compared to traditional search engines. This change is driven by users seeking quicker, more relevant answers and a better overall experience So it must be true, right? Coz that's the only thing I searched for. I got my answer. Why would I search for the opposite? My bias was confirmed. I'm happy and will repeat the results to all my friends, who will search for the same thing to confirm and get confirmation!
- edoceo 1y agoThis is sarcasm, correct? Cause really, you wanna find data that doesn't agree with you... if the objective is to be more smarter.
- chmod775 1y agoChatGPT agreed it's not sarcasm.
- Forgeties79 1y agoThis hurts but it’s so accurate lol
- tharkun__ 1y agoNo. And yes. Yes it's meant sarcastically. Personally I agree with you that you want to look at pros and cons, both sides. But there are many, oh very very many people out there who would literally do exactly what I wrote. They do it all the time. That's why we have these echo chambers everywhere. And AI as we can see here is not making it better. And it's not just the "general population". I see it on a technical level too at work. Developers just trusting the AI output. It sounded confident when it said it found the root cause, fixed the bug and added tests. So it's good to commit, right?
- ranger_danger 1y agoWhat am I supposed to be outraged by here?
- nl 1y ago> Just look at this shitshow. > https://imgur.com/a/lAd3UHn https://imgur.com/a/lAd3UHn I don't follow NFL viewership numbers but searching and reading the results seems to indicate some support for that trend. What's wrong with it?
- chmod775 1y agoScroll down. There's more. The LLM responded in the affirmative to all queries, even when they seem to contradict each other. > NFL viewership went down? Yes! > NFL viewership went up? Yes! > Home prices are going down? Yes! > Home prices are going up? Yes! Google is confirming people's biases on an industrial scale. Surely this is not going to do any damage...
- gruez 1y agoIsn't traditional search going to have the same issue? If you search about how chocolate is good for you, you'll turn up plenty of sites willing to confirm your beliefs, AI summary or not.
- navigate8310 1y agoThen where's the intelligence in it which a huge chunk of biomass wants to rely upon?
- Forgeties79 1y agoI have so many conflicting emotions/impulses. 1) don’t believe everything you read on the internet 2) it looks like real search results 3) it’s a bunch of crappy smartphone shots of screens 4) but why would someone work so hard to make these fake images 5) but AI image generation 6) but they don’t look AI-generated 7) but maybe it’s gotten better I can go on and on and on My ultimate feeling is “this looks legit.” But man. The internet just isn’t fun anymore. It’s so much work.
- lossyalgo 1y agoAI sycophancy[0] is a real problem, for multiple reasons, but your example is one that makes me disable AI on all search engines entirely. [0] https://techcrunch.com/2025/08/25/ai-sycophancy-isnt-just-a-quirk-experts-consider-it-a-dark-pattern-to-turn-users-into-profit/ https://techcrunch.com/2025/08/25/ai-sycophancy-isnt-just-a-...
- zelphirkalt 1y agoWhile I still often just search with Kagi, I have found it often easier to write a fullblown natural language question into Kagi Assistant, to query an LLM, which then replies and gives me the references, where it supposedly found that info. If the reply is weird, I can click through to the references and check that out.
- s_ting765 1y agoOr search companies are forcing LLM products on visitors and claim "see! everyone is using our AI search instead of the regular search".
- netfortius 1y agoDeepSeek seems to go the way of trying to please everybody. They offer two alternatives. which you could use separately or both in the same time (named in an obvious way): DeepThink and ... well ... Search :)
- r721 1y agoLaunch thread (5 months ago): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44116503 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44116503
- rollulus 1y agoThat was a “people who missed the launch discovered it later”-thread. The launch was 2.5 years ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35964397 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35964397
- mac-attack 1y agoIIRC, they initially only allowed VPN users to access the engine up until the 2nd announcement
- culi 1y agoIt's a privacy proxy for searching on Google, Brave, idk if they have others. It strips away any tracking info Searx is a similar idea. More powerful but definitely uglier