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For sake of HN can we get a rundown that isn’t Gary Marcus flinging shit on people? I’d like something a bit more objective.

samrus 11mo ago
You could just read the primary sources. The things hes showing people to have said. The gist is altman was trying to be slick about requiesting a government bailout, got called out on his bullshit, and then decided to lie and say he never wanted a bailout The implication being the bubble is getting closer and closer to popping, since even altman is thinking about how to survive the pop
- ungreased0675 11mo ago
  Somehow people like him seem to survive just fine. Adam Neumann still has infinite money and Billy McFarland is still getting investors for various schemes.
  - NBJack 11mo ago
    Yep; it will just screw the employees, the investors (or at least those that didn't suddenly get clairvoyant and find an exit right before it hits the fan), and many, many apps relying on their APIs.
    - samrus 11mo ago
      The correction is good in the long run. It will settle to sane understanding of AI's capabilities, competent applications, and the unsuing AI winter will be when real research is done rather than "we fed its garbage back into itself hoping something else came out" It will ruin some lives. I hate that the american economy runs on these speculative cycles. If we tempered our expectations to what was sane, but still bullish, we'd have far less to fall
      - NBJack 11mo ago
        Have to agree. The market needs a correction. And history for the states definitely seems to encourage it, if not flat out reward it.
  - this_user 11mo ago
    Altman definitely has enough wealth of his own to survive no matter what. But if you look at how he operates, it is pretty clear that what he really wants is power, and he is usually extremely good at getting it. But OpenAI is rapidly losing their leadership in the space, and it turns out that their product has no moat. Meanwhile, new Chinese open source SOTA models just keep coming on an almost daily basis.
  - samrus 11mo ago
    I guess survive is the wrong word. Sonce thats not what hes trying to do. Its more like he wants to figure how not to lose his dragons horde of gold, and even grow it in the pop
- neuvarius 11mo ago
  Unfortunately the shit flinging is recursive. I’m not looking to read more conjecture. And people are pulling an Elon v2 with Altman and the “any day now he’ll make a fatal mistake!” nonsense. I’m not holding my breath for hot takes, but I got what I came for: sama said some stuff, the thread.

samrus 11mo ago

You could just read the primary sources. The things hes showing people to have said. The gist is altman was trying to be slick about requiesting a government bailout, got called out on his bullshit, and then decided to lie and say he never wanted a bailout The implication being the bubble is getting closer and closer to popping, since even altman is thinking about how to survive the pop

ungreased0675 11mo ago
Somehow people like him seem to survive just fine. Adam Neumann still has infinite money and Billy McFarland is still getting investors for various schemes.
- NBJack 11mo ago
  Yep; it will just screw the employees, the investors (or at least those that didn't suddenly get clairvoyant and find an exit right before it hits the fan), and many, many apps relying on their APIs.
  - samrus 11mo ago
    The correction is good in the long run. It will settle to sane understanding of AI's capabilities, competent applications, and the unsuing AI winter will be when real research is done rather than "we fed its garbage back into itself hoping something else came out" It will ruin some lives. I hate that the american economy runs on these speculative cycles. If we tempered our expectations to what was sane, but still bullish, we'd have far less to fall
    - NBJack 11mo ago
      Have to agree. The market needs a correction. And history for the states definitely seems to encourage it, if not flat out reward it.
- this_user 11mo ago
  Altman definitely has enough wealth of his own to survive no matter what. But if you look at how he operates, it is pretty clear that what he really wants is power, and he is usually extremely good at getting it. But OpenAI is rapidly losing their leadership in the space, and it turns out that their product has no moat. Meanwhile, new Chinese open source SOTA models just keep coming on an almost daily basis.
- samrus 11mo ago
  I guess survive is the wrong word. Sonce thats not what hes trying to do. Its more like he wants to figure how not to lose his dragons horde of gold, and even grow it in the pop
neuvarius 11mo ago
Unfortunately the shit flinging is recursive. I’m not looking to read more conjecture. And people are pulling an Elon v2 with Altman and the “any day now he’ll make a fatal mistake!” nonsense. I’m not holding my breath for hot takes, but I got what I came for: sama said some stuff, the thread.