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I remember when Jobs was caught by surprise by the then-Windows-only process of ripping and burning CDs using Winamp, etc. Apple had zero momentum in that area.

by smoody 18y ago

I remember when Jobs was caught by surprise by the then-Windows-only process of ripping and burning CDs using Winamp, etc. Apple had zero momentum in that area. I read an interview where he admitted to being 'caught by surprise' by the whole phenomena and he declared something to the effect of "Trust me, it won't happen again." Next thing you know, Apple came from a position of being in last place to becoming a market leader. AOL, on the other hand, bought Winamp, had all the raw materials and the dedicated users required to rule the music universe and what happened? (that is a rhetorical question ;-). I'm not sure I'd want him as a boss, but I have tremendous respect for the man and his ability to hire great people and demand the best from them.

sam_in_nyc 18y ago
Very nice write-up... I remember the days when Winamp was King. I even got an Infrared receiver for my PC, and had it working with Winamp. It was pretty sweet being able to fast forward / rewind / shuffle, etc... with a remote. This was in the Napster days I guess about 7-9 years ago? What bothers me is the hysteria surrounding Apple. They make a white remote with 4 buttons and suddenly it's "incredible design" and "pure genius."
- gdee 18y ago
  I might be wrong, but I believe Winamp is still very much The King. Platform market share and all that...
  - zandorg 18y ago
    Seeing as it's Winamp, owned by AOL, I have to say - Me too (uses Winamp)
  - Zev 18y ago
    I know plenty of audiophiles who swear by foobar now instead of winamp. They want winamp 2.x back, something about AOL ruining winamp with 5.x? I can't remember the exact reasons.
- GHFigs 18y ago
  It's not clear what hysteria you're referring to. Given that remotes trend toward having ten times as many buttons and the corresponding size, complexity and dismal ergonomics--while accomplishing little more--it's not unreasonable or hysterical to refer to it as a good design for the purpose. I suspect it more closely resembles the remote you used 7-9 years ago than most do. I'm not sure if I believe that anyone has referred to it as "pure genius", though surely your quotes indicate that you are quoting someone and aren't just exaggerating to make a vapid point.
palish 18y ago
Jobs is an effective leader. But here's an innocent question from my inexperienced 20-year-old self: I wonder, how many marriages or families in general have been torn apart as a result of Apple's highly driven environment? If your manager is asking you to work harder, it's easy to forget work-life balance. Sometimes, it even feels good when your manager requests you work late. I once almost became addicted to the feeling of "being heroic", which caused rather severe problems in other aspects of my life. As far as I've heard, Apple engineers put in a lot of overtime. All that said, are the results worth the pain? Is it worth it to build fantastic products at the expense of others? I don't know. Personally, I'd say "yes", because nobody is being forced to work for Apple. But it's easy for a company to become somewhat evil by pushing that logic too far.
- unalone 18y ago
  I'd agree and say yes. The sorts of people who are attracted to Apple are the sorts of people I'd bet thrive in that hellish environment. The people who don't feel that way don't have to work there.

by smoody 18y ago

sam_in_nyc 18y ago

Very nice write-up... I remember the days when Winamp was King. I even got an Infrared receiver for my PC, and had it working with Winamp. It was pretty sweet being able to fast forward / rewind / shuffle, etc... with a remote. This was in the Napster days I guess about 7-9 years ago? What bothers me is the hysteria surrounding Apple. They make a white remote with 4 buttons and suddenly it's "incredible design" and "pure genius."

gdee 18y ago
I might be wrong, but I believe Winamp is still very much The King. Platform market share and all that...
- zandorg 18y ago
  Seeing as it's Winamp, owned by AOL, I have to say - Me too (uses Winamp)
- Zev 18y ago
  I know plenty of audiophiles who swear by foobar now instead of winamp. They want winamp 2.x back, something about AOL ruining winamp with 5.x? I can't remember the exact reasons.
GHFigs 18y ago
It's not clear what hysteria you're referring to. Given that remotes trend toward having ten times as many buttons and the corresponding size, complexity and dismal ergonomics--while accomplishing little more--it's not unreasonable or hysterical to refer to it as a good design for the purpose. I suspect it more closely resembles the remote you used 7-9 years ago than most do. I'm not sure if I believe that anyone has referred to it as "pure genius", though surely your quotes indicate that you are quoting someone and aren't just exaggerating to make a vapid point.

palish 18y ago

Jobs is an effective leader. But here's an innocent question from my inexperienced 20-year-old self: I wonder, how many marriages or families in general have been torn apart as a result of Apple's highly driven environment? If your manager is asking you to work harder, it's easy to forget work-life balance. Sometimes, it even feels good when your manager requests you work late. I once almost became addicted to the feeling of "being heroic", which caused rather severe problems in other aspects of my life. As far as I've heard, Apple engineers put in a lot of overtime. All that said, are the results worth the pain? Is it worth it to build fantastic products at the expense of others? I don't know. Personally, I'd say "yes", because nobody is being forced to work for Apple. But it's easy for a company to become somewhat evil by pushing that logic too far.

unalone 18y ago
I'd agree and say yes. The sorts of people who are attracted to Apple are the sorts of people I'd bet thrive in that hellish environment. The people who don't feel that way don't have to work there.