Sure, I'm just saying that they don't agree with you (or me) that their "competition are carmakers". They say this very loudly when you point at the P/E ratio

Sure, I'm just saying that they don't agree with you (or me) that their "competition are carmakers". They say this very loudly when you point at the P/E ratio being 30-60 times that of traditional car companies. I mean, their competition clearly are carmakers, because while Tesla talks about the robots they don't actually sell them — but the if the shareholders are happy and the board are happy then the CEO can make a bunch of remote control androids and fail to sell them for a few years while other people start eating their lunches.