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Not only are more women in college, but average starting salary out of college is $12k more for men than women: https://www.naceweb.org/job-market/compensation/

Not only are more women in college, but average starting salary out of college is $12k more for men than women: https://www.naceweb.org/job-market/compensation/nace-research-pay-inequity-based-on-gender-begins-at-the-start-of-career/ https://www.naceweb.org/job-market/compensation/nace-researc... Women also on average go into slightly more debt: https://educationdata.org/student-loan-debt-by-gender https://educationdata.org/student-loan-debt-by-gender

bradlys 11mo ago
Yeah, says it right there: women choose lower paying professions. That’s literally all it is. The pay gap mostly has to do with what careers women choose. Most men and women earn the same given the same credentials, years of experience, and job.
- afavour 11mo ago
  > women choose lower paying professions Do they actively choose lower paying professions or do they unwillingly end up in those professions? It seems to be you're making a logical leap without citation. Why would a gender choose en masse to earn less money?
  - xboxnolifes 11mo ago
    Because it's entirely plausible for one to enjoy different things on average?
    - afavour 11mo ago
      For that to be plausible it would mean the vast majority of women choose their profession based on enjoyment with no consideration of earning potential. Which doesn’t feel all that plausible. At the very least you’d expect a study on it, any data at all.
      - bradlys 11mo ago
        Arguing with someone like this is just pointless. You'd argue over whether the sky is blue. You're in denial about basic tangible realities. Damn, first time I'm hearing that women can't choose their majors in college but for some reason men can! What kind of learned helplessness wokeist bullshit is this? It's no wonder this country has gone to the capitalists. Idiotic arguments like this are at the forefront of every left movement. "Women can't do anything! They can't choose their own careers!" Left leaning people just like to shoot themselves in the foot and say, "I blame the right!" You could, you know, maybe fight for something and actually choose a direction in life rather than being a victim of everything. Where's the old left that would actually fight and kill for their rights? This country fucking sucks.
        afavour 11mo ago
        What a ridiculous response. My objection is to explaining away observed data with unsupported assertion. There is a pay gap = fact The pay gap is largely attributable to women working in fields that pay less = fact Women work in these fields because they choose to = unsupported assertion Dress it up in some internal dialogue you have with yourself about “left” “right” and “woke” if you wish but it doesn’t speak to my point at all. You’re just settling on an answer that feels right to you and shutting down any further thought. “Everybody knows it’s true” is pure laziness.
        xigoi 11mo ago
        > Women work in these fields because they choose to = unsupported assertion The assertion is supported by the fact that in most modern countries, women are free to choose what school they’ll go to.
        afavour 11mo ago
        And you’re saying that is the only factor that would determine what job someone does?
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  - foogazi 11mo ago
    Anecdatally I know a HS graduate woman that recently left a trade profession due to harassment from men - just said never again On paper it’s going to look that they “chose” the hospitality industry or real estate - wonder how many are out there like that
- IncreasePosts 11mo ago
  Even if that's true, it doesn't really matter. The fact is that regardless of why it happens, women come out of college with more debt and less ability to repay it than men do. If you're writing out woes specifically of men relative to women, then college debt shouldn't be one of those issues.

bradlys 11mo ago

Yeah, says it right there: women choose lower paying professions. That’s literally all it is. The pay gap mostly has to do with what careers women choose. Most men and women earn the same given the same credentials, years of experience, and job.

afavour 11mo ago
> women choose lower paying professions Do they actively choose lower paying professions or do they unwillingly end up in those professions? It seems to be you're making a logical leap without citation. Why would a gender choose en masse to earn less money?
- xboxnolifes 11mo ago
  Because it's entirely plausible for one to enjoy different things on average?
  - afavour 11mo ago
    For that to be plausible it would mean the vast majority of women choose their profession based on enjoyment with no consideration of earning potential. Which doesn’t feel all that plausible. At the very least you’d expect a study on it, any data at all.
    - bradlys 11mo ago
      Arguing with someone like this is just pointless. You'd argue over whether the sky is blue. You're in denial about basic tangible realities. Damn, first time I'm hearing that women can't choose their majors in college but for some reason men can! What kind of learned helplessness wokeist bullshit is this? It's no wonder this country has gone to the capitalists. Idiotic arguments like this are at the forefront of every left movement. "Women can't do anything! They can't choose their own careers!" Left leaning people just like to shoot themselves in the foot and say, "I blame the right!" You could, you know, maybe fight for something and actually choose a direction in life rather than being a victim of everything. Where's the old left that would actually fight and kill for their rights? This country fucking sucks.
      - afavour 11mo ago
        What a ridiculous response. My objection is to explaining away observed data with unsupported assertion. There is a pay gap = fact The pay gap is largely attributable to women working in fields that pay less = fact Women work in these fields because they choose to = unsupported assertion Dress it up in some internal dialogue you have with yourself about “left” “right” and “woke” if you wish but it doesn’t speak to my point at all. You’re just settling on an answer that feels right to you and shutting down any further thought. “Everybody knows it’s true” is pure laziness.
        xigoi 11mo ago
        > Women work in these fields because they choose to = unsupported assertion The assertion is supported by the fact that in most modern countries, women are free to choose what school they’ll go to.
        afavour 11mo ago
        And you’re saying that is the only factor that would determine what job someone does?
    - deleted 11mo ago
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- foogazi 11mo ago
  Anecdatally I know a HS graduate woman that recently left a trade profession due to harassment from men - just said never again On paper it’s going to look that they “chose” the hospitality industry or real estate - wonder how many are out there like that
IncreasePosts 11mo ago
Even if that's true, it doesn't really matter. The fact is that regardless of why it happens, women come out of college with more debt and less ability to repay it than men do. If you're writing out woes specifically of men relative to women, then college debt shouldn't be one of those issues.