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How do you feel about the chat logs here? I have to wonder: would the suicide have been prevented if chatGPT didn't exist? Because if that's not at least a "m

How do you feel about the chat logs here? I have to wonder: would the suicide have been prevented if chatGPT didn't exist? Because if that's not at least a "maybe", I feel like chatGPT did provide comfort in a dire situation here. Probably we have no way not at least saying "maybe", but I can imagine just as well, that chatGPT did not accelerate anything. I wished we could see a fuller transcript.

bayindirh 11mo ago
> I have to wonder: would the suicide have been prevented if chatGPT didn't exist? I'd say yes, because the signs would have to surface somewhere else, probably in an interaction with a human, who (un)consciously saved him with a simple gesture. With a simple discussion, an alternative perspective on a problem, or a sidekick who can support someone for a day or two, many lives can and do change. We're generally not aware though.
- anotheryou 11mo ago
  I agree, I just wonder if that interaction had come about.
japhyr 11mo ago
> Because if that's not at least a "maybe", I feel like chatGPT did provide comfort in a dire situation here. That's a pretty concerning take. You can provide comfort to someone who is despondent, and you can do it in a way that doesn't steer them closer to ending their life. That takes training though, and it's not something these models are anywhere close to being able to handle.
- anotheryou 11mo ago
  I'm in no way saying proper help wouldn't be better. Maybe in the end ChatGPT would be a great tool to actually escalate on detecting a risk (instead of an untrue and harmful text snippet and a phone number).
iambateman 11mo ago
It's the wrong question. If an unlicensed therapist verifiably encourages someone to kill themselves...we don't entertain the counterfactual and wonder if the person was bound to do it anyway. Instead, we put the unlicensed therapist in jail.
- anotheryou 11mo ago
  What about a friend trying to support someone in dark times? I'd call the cops on them* at some point to stop them from harming themselves and I'd never say what ChatGPT said here, but I'd still talk to them trying to help, even without being a therapist. I can recommend a therapist, but it's hard to reach people in that state. You got to make use of the trust they gave you. * non US country

bayindirh 11mo ago

> I have to wonder: would the suicide have been prevented if chatGPT didn't exist? I'd say yes, because the signs would have to surface somewhere else, probably in an interaction with a human, who (un)consciously saved him with a simple gesture. With a simple discussion, an alternative perspective on a problem, or a sidekick who can support someone for a day or two, many lives can and do change. We're generally not aware though.

anotheryou 11mo ago
I agree, I just wonder if that interaction had come about.

japhyr 11mo ago

> Because if that's not at least a "maybe", I feel like chatGPT did provide comfort in a dire situation here. That's a pretty concerning take. You can provide comfort to someone who is despondent, and you can do it in a way that doesn't steer them closer to ending their life. That takes training though, and it's not something these models are anywhere close to being able to handle.

anotheryou 11mo ago
I'm in no way saying proper help wouldn't be better. Maybe in the end ChatGPT would be a great tool to actually escalate on detecting a risk (instead of an untrue and harmful text snippet and a phone number).

iambateman 11mo ago

It's the wrong question. If an unlicensed therapist verifiably encourages someone to kill themselves...we don't entertain the counterfactual and wonder if the person was bound to do it anyway. Instead, we put the unlicensed therapist in jail.

anotheryou 11mo ago
What about a friend trying to support someone in dark times? I'd call the cops on them* at some point to stop them from harming themselves and I'd never say what ChatGPT said here, but I'd still talk to them trying to help, even without being a therapist. I can recommend a therapist, but it's hard to reach people in that state. You got to make use of the trust they gave you. * non US country