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Actions have consequences. Musk chose his actions and now he gets to live the consequences. There really is no point in trying to excuse or rationalize it.

by breve 1y ago

ajross 1y ago
Just to extend the thread: nothing you say there engages with my point (which amounts to "Musk is just a routine reactionary right winger like we all deal with every day"). You're just saying you want to hate him because you want to hate him, and by extension I'm not allowed to (there is "no point in") trying to explain my contrary opinion because you disagree with it. It's not a very HN comment. And I really don't think you're internal moral compass is consistent on this, again citing all the drunk uncles you do business with without shame.
- breve 1y ago
  You aren't making any points. You're emotionally trying to rationalize Musk's behaviour. It's not worth your time or effort. In the end, Tesla is just a car company. You can buy an EV from a company that isn't run by a "drunk uncle". And if you're invested in Tesla, diversify your investments (that's just good financial sense). Teslas aren't exactly cutting edge anymore. For example, Tesla's charge curve is quite weak compared to other EVs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy46Ag0djjk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy46Ag0djjk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAky0r8n5sk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAky0r8n5sk
  - ajross 1y ago
    > You aren't making any points. You replied directly to a comment where I tried to engage substantially and with external links in a discussion about whether or not he was "literally" doing a Nazi salute. You ignored that part in favor of a "actions have consequences" quip. Then when I called you out you decided to change the subject to something that amounts to "Well Teslas aren't any good anyway!". To be blunt: that's a taking-your-toys-and-going-home argument, and HN deserves better. The whole point of this interminable subthread is that I'm trying to challenge your assumptions. And it seems like I'm doing it pretty well, given the way you're deflecting. Maybe you'd find it more productive to do some introspection?
    - breve 1y ago
      > You ignored that part in favor of a "actions have consequences" quip. It isn't a quip. It's a practical reality. The brand damage is real. Musk has cost Tesla a lot of sales. > "Well Teslas aren't any good anyway!". They aren't that good. Other EVs are indeed better.

Actions have consequences. Musk chose his actions and now he gets to live the consequences. There really is no point in trying to excuse or rationalize it.

by breve 1y ago

Actions have consequences. Musk chose his actions and now he gets to live the consequences. There really is no point in trying to excuse or rationalize it.

ajross 1y ago

Just to extend the thread: nothing you say there engages with my point (which amounts to "Musk is just a routine reactionary right winger like we all deal with every day"). You're just saying you want to hate him because you want to hate him, and by extension I'm not allowed to (there is "no point in") trying to explain my contrary opinion because you disagree with it. It's not a very HN comment. And I really don't think you're internal moral compass is consistent on this, again citing all the drunk uncles you do business with without shame.

breve 1y ago
You aren't making any points. You're emotionally trying to rationalize Musk's behaviour. It's not worth your time or effort. In the end, Tesla is just a car company. You can buy an EV from a company that isn't run by a "drunk uncle". And if you're invested in Tesla, diversify your investments (that's just good financial sense). Teslas aren't exactly cutting edge anymore. For example, Tesla's charge curve is quite weak compared to other EVs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy46Ag0djjk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy46Ag0djjk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAky0r8n5sk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAky0r8n5sk
- ajross 1y ago
  > You aren't making any points. You replied directly to a comment where I tried to engage substantially and with external links in a discussion about whether or not he was "literally" doing a Nazi salute. You ignored that part in favor of a "actions have consequences" quip. Then when I called you out you decided to change the subject to something that amounts to "Well Teslas aren't any good anyway!". To be blunt: that's a taking-your-toys-and-going-home argument, and HN deserves better. The whole point of this interminable subthread is that I'm trying to challenge your assumptions. And it seems like I'm doing it pretty well, given the way you're deflecting. Maybe you'd find it more productive to do some introspection?
  - breve 1y ago
    > You ignored that part in favor of a "actions have consequences" quip. It isn't a quip. It's a practical reality. The brand damage is real. Musk has cost Tesla a lot of sales. > "Well Teslas aren't any good anyway!". They aren't that good. Other EVs are indeed better.