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The subtext is obvious: white vs. nonwhite. Musk, DHH, Tommy Robinson and all their deranged ilk are itching for a race war.

tim333 1y ago
It's a bit integrated here though. I mean our last prime minister was non white and London is a huge mix. You can make arguments for restricting immigration and getting rid of illegals but that happens in all countries and is business as usual really, not war.
- graemep 1y ago
  I think something that Americans, and some British people (usually racists or people who are performatively anti-racist) miss is that the vast majority of us (ethnic minority British people) are well integrated. its easy to focus on the people who are not integrated and take them as the norm. We do not have the history that people such as black Americans do. Our ancestors came here voluntarily, never faced lynch mobs or segregation or bans on marrying someone of a different race. It shows in a lot of things. For example, we usually speak the same dialect of English as people from the same background and region - it might be PR or Brummie, but there is nothing that corresponds to Africa American vernacular (some communities do speak an ancestral dialect, of course, but that is different tends to die out over a few generations). As you pointed out ,someone's race is less important in politics (having a non-white PM was nothing like as revolutionary here as having a non-white president in the US).
  - tim333 1y ago
    Yeah, I was thinking the one time in my life time we did have something like a civil war was the troubles in Northern Ireland and that was the aftermath of the British occupation of Ireland under Henry VIII and then the Irish War of Independence (1919-1921). These historical things rumble on.
graemep 1y ago
They are not getting very far in the UK. The only thing that keeps them going is illegal immigration, and small boats in particular. IMO this suits the uniparty fine as it distracts attention from all their other failures. The most successful of those figures (at least in the UK) has been Tommy Robinson with the EDL, but the EDL is a highly unstable coalition of people who hate each other (neo-Nazis, gays, Jews, some ethnic minorities/immigrant groups) On the whole, the long term trend in the UK has been away from racism. Both my experience as a visible ethnic minority person who has lived in multiple places (London, Manchester, Midlands, Cheshire) over the years, and the data from surveys and studies confirm this.
- tim333 1y ago
  I don't really follow Robinson but some of his complaints seem fairly legit - small boats, Rotherham and the like. I haven't heard them call for war.

tim333 1y ago

It's a bit integrated here though. I mean our last prime minister was non white and London is a huge mix. You can make arguments for restricting immigration and getting rid of illegals but that happens in all countries and is business as usual really, not war.

graemep 1y ago
I think something that Americans, and some British people (usually racists or people who are performatively anti-racist) miss is that the vast majority of us (ethnic minority British people) are well integrated. its easy to focus on the people who are not integrated and take them as the norm. We do not have the history that people such as black Americans do. Our ancestors came here voluntarily, never faced lynch mobs or segregation or bans on marrying someone of a different race. It shows in a lot of things. For example, we usually speak the same dialect of English as people from the same background and region - it might be PR or Brummie, but there is nothing that corresponds to Africa American vernacular (some communities do speak an ancestral dialect, of course, but that is different tends to die out over a few generations). As you pointed out ,someone's race is less important in politics (having a non-white PM was nothing like as revolutionary here as having a non-white president in the US).
- tim333 1y ago
  Yeah, I was thinking the one time in my life time we did have something like a civil war was the troubles in Northern Ireland and that was the aftermath of the British occupation of Ireland under Henry VIII and then the Irish War of Independence (1919-1921). These historical things rumble on.

graemep 1y ago

They are not getting very far in the UK. The only thing that keeps them going is illegal immigration, and small boats in particular. IMO this suits the uniparty fine as it distracts attention from all their other failures. The most successful of those figures (at least in the UK) has been Tommy Robinson with the EDL, but the EDL is a highly unstable coalition of people who hate each other (neo-Nazis, gays, Jews, some ethnic minorities/immigrant groups) On the whole, the long term trend in the UK has been away from racism. Both my experience as a visible ethnic minority person who has lived in multiple places (London, Manchester, Midlands, Cheshire) over the years, and the data from surveys and studies confirm this.

tim333 1y ago
I don't really follow Robinson but some of his complaints seem fairly legit - small boats, Rotherham and the like. I haven't heard them call for war.