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Who collects taxes then? This is the same rationale I hear from the people who are saying "Abolish ICE" - someone must enforce the rules, if we dont like the r
by Aloha 11mo ago
Who collects taxes then?
This is the same rationale I hear from the people who are saying "Abolish ICE" - someone must enforce the rules, if we dont like the rules we should change them.
- trollbridge 11mo agoCollect them from the states which have their own taxing agencies.
- semiquaver 11mo agoNot every state collects income tax. This would also violate anti-commandeering constitutional principles embodied in federalism.
- vel0city 11mo agoSo what the local school district is going to collect my federal income taxes from my out of state employer? The DMV collects it when I register my car? What if I don't own a car? It also means there would probably 50 or hundreds (maybe even thousands?) of different processes to report your taxes, with each of these different tax authorities wanting to do it their own way. I don't see how that makes it any better.
- Aloha 11mo agoThat was the fundamental weakness in the articles of confederation, the feds were funded by appropriations from the states.
- t1234s 11mo agoI think the answer would be to fund everything via sales tax. This way your income stimulates the economy and the govt gets a cut of the action.
- p_ing 11mo agoWhy would you want a regressive tax?
- vel0city 11mo agoThat way poor/middle class people face the biggest overall tax burden and rich people that save, invest, and spend money overseas get to massively lower their tax burden. Great!
- Aloha 11mo agoPeople are already paying a 7-10% sales tax, you want to raise that to 35%? thats how you end up with revolution.
- willis936 11mo agoYeah, true, can you even imagine a world before ICE checks notes, which was formed in 2003?
- stuffn 11mo agoNo I can’t because ICE took on some of the roles of US customs and the immigration and naturalization service. The same thing that spun them out formed the DHS, which once again existed as splinters of other organizations cooperating. It’s not entirely unusual to see an agency break out of something like this to help prevent role sharing. Check those notes again. Should we complain about the Department of Energy too?
- willis936 11mo agoYes and those roles can be easily taken up by organizations that are not secret police, as they were in the past when rule of law and law & order weren't just memories.
- stuffn 11mo agoCalling ICE the secret police is factually incorrect and intellectually dishonest. First, ICE has no authority over US we citizens. So on that note alone they are not a police force. Second, they still operate under the law, specially INA 236-287. Their budget is reviewed and authorized by Congress and they are beholden to the laws of the land. What is new in their scope are 287(G) agreements which are currently being contested (as they should) in courts. It’s unclear whether local police can or should enforce immigration law under current statutes. Only in this case would I agree with your statement, in that the enhanced local police forces would constitute a “secret police” by the literal Gestapo-/Stasi-era definition. Funny enough Trump has made quite a show of ICE but has yet to top Obama’s numbers. I’m old enough to remember ICE forming in 2003 and Obama’s (ab)use of DHS. I don’t remember people complaining and protesting about door kickers back then. Maybe because the other team was doing it and their quarterback won a Nobel peace prize?
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- vel0city 11mo agoImmigration and Naturalization Service like it was pre-9/11, before we militarized the organization?
- Aloha 11mo agoICE isnt any more or less militarized than INS was, if anything its a less powerful agency, its just in a more logical place (DHS instead of DOL), while I hate the name for DHS, it was a fundamentally good reorganization of government.
- vel0city 11mo ago> ICE isnt any more or less militarized than INS was, You're joking right? We had highly armed INS agents in bulletproof vests and tactical gear roaming our streets?
- Aloha 11mo agoYes, I remember the INS raids of the early 90's they had tac gear, and AR's and I presume bullet proof vests too.