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They need to end the IRS. Normal working people shouldn't be held hostage by having to comply with a federal agency. Companies shouldn't be forced to act as tax

by t1234s 1y ago

They need to end the IRS. Normal working people shouldn't be held hostage by having to comply with a federal agency. Companies shouldn't be forced to act as tax collectors when paying salaries.

hbrav 1y ago
How, if at all, would you fund the federal government? Are you suggesting you don't think the current way taxpayers interact with the IRS is very functional, or you'd like to actually get rid of having any agency responsible for federal tax collection?
- deleted 1y ago
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- nerdponx 1y ago
  One could imagine a world in which taxes are paid only to the states, which then must all pay to fund the federal government. Not saying it's a good idea, but it would certainly be different from what we have now.
  - Incipient 1y ago
    In Australia we only pay federal taxes, and get distribute to the various states. The tax is wonderfully simple for us, and I THE MAIN seems to work ok for states. Every now and then one state gets a bit tetchy about it, but it appears to work out OK.
gdulli 1y ago
This is like saying, "there shouldn't be food". Don't waste our time, of course there has to be food, or else tell us your brilliant vision for how else the world should work instead.
Aloha 1y ago
Who collects taxes then? This is the same rationale I hear from the people who are saying "Abolish ICE" - someone must enforce the rules, if we dont like the rules we should change them.
- trollbridge 1y ago
  Collect them from the states which have their own taxing agencies.
  - semiquaver 1y ago
    Not every state collects income tax. This would also violate anti-commandeering constitutional principles embodied in federalism.
  - vel0city 1y ago
    So what the local school district is going to collect my federal income taxes from my out of state employer? The DMV collects it when I register my car? What if I don't own a car? It also means there would probably 50 or hundreds (maybe even thousands?) of different processes to report your taxes, with each of these different tax authorities wanting to do it their own way. I don't see how that makes it any better.
  - Aloha 1y ago
    That was the fundamental weakness in the articles of confederation, the feds were funded by appropriations from the states.
- t1234s 1y ago
  I think the answer would be to fund everything via sales tax. This way your income stimulates the economy and the govt gets a cut of the action.
  - p_ing 1y ago
    Why would you want a regressive tax?
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hiddencost 1y ago
Wut
dangus 1y ago
I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief. “Bad news, detective. We got a situation.” “What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?” “Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.” The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?” “Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.” “Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.” He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.” “Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.” I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside. “Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t. “Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up. “Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?” It didn’t seem like they did. “Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.” Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing. I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it. “Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled. Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him. “Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen. I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!” He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose. “All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.” “Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy. “Because I was afraid.” “Afraid?” “Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.” I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head. “Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.” He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.

by t1234s 1y ago

They need to end the IRS. Normal working people shouldn't be held hostage by having to comply with a federal agency. Companies shouldn't be forced to act as tax collectors when paying salaries.

hbrav 1y ago

How, if at all, would you fund the federal government? Are you suggesting you don't think the current way taxpayers interact with the IRS is very functional, or you'd like to actually get rid of having any agency responsible for federal tax collection?

deleted 1y ago
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nerdponx 1y ago
One could imagine a world in which taxes are paid only to the states, which then must all pay to fund the federal government. Not saying it's a good idea, but it would certainly be different from what we have now.
- Incipient 1y ago
  In Australia we only pay federal taxes, and get distribute to the various states. The tax is wonderfully simple for us, and I THE MAIN seems to work ok for states. Every now and then one state gets a bit tetchy about it, but it appears to work out OK.

gdulli 1y ago

This is like saying, "there shouldn't be food". Don't waste our time, of course there has to be food, or else tell us your brilliant vision for how else the world should work instead.

Aloha 1y ago

Who collects taxes then? This is the same rationale I hear from the people who are saying "Abolish ICE" - someone must enforce the rules, if we dont like the rules we should change them.

trollbridge 1y ago
Collect them from the states which have their own taxing agencies.
- semiquaver 1y ago
  Not every state collects income tax. This would also violate anti-commandeering constitutional principles embodied in federalism.
- vel0city 1y ago
  So what the local school district is going to collect my federal income taxes from my out of state employer? The DMV collects it when I register my car? What if I don't own a car? It also means there would probably 50 or hundreds (maybe even thousands?) of different processes to report your taxes, with each of these different tax authorities wanting to do it their own way. I don't see how that makes it any better.
- Aloha 1y ago
  That was the fundamental weakness in the articles of confederation, the feds were funded by appropriations from the states.
t1234s 1y ago
I think the answer would be to fund everything via sales tax. This way your income stimulates the economy and the govt gets a cut of the action.
- p_ing 1y ago
  Why would you want a regressive tax?
- 1y ago

hiddencost 1y ago

Wut

dangus 1y ago

I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief. “Bad news, detective. We got a situation.” “What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?” “Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.” The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?” “Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.” “Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.” He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.” “Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.” I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside. “Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t. “Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up. “Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?” It didn’t seem like they did. “Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.” Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing. I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it. “Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled. Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him. “Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen. I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!” He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose. “All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.” “Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy. “Because I was afraid.” “Afraid?” “Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.” I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head. “Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.” He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.