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> You appear to be going far beyond dealing with fraud, and instead wish to suppress activity that's being undertaken without any deceit. 'Deceit' does not sta

by derleth 14y ago

> You appear to be going far beyond dealing with fraud, and instead wish to suppress activity that's being undertaken without any deceit. 'Deceit' does not start and end with the technical definition of fraud. > Note, of course, that the vast majority of supplement products contain explicit disclaimers on their labels They shout their ads and whisper their disclaimers. Why should we ignore their shouting? > However, if I want to purchase a bottle of foo, honestly labeled as "foo" without making any unsustainable promises, and use the contents of that bottle based upon my own understanding of the properties of "foo", that's entirely my prerogative, and it's entirely my right to assume whatever risks the use of foo entails. Why should you be able to sell something that you lead others to believe is good for them when it isn't? Selling dandelions by marketing them as pretty flowers is fine. Selling them by marketing them as wine making material is also fine, as you can, in fact, make wine out of dandelions. Selling them by claiming dandelion wine is good for what ails you is lying. Can you honestly not see that last step?

Gormo 14y ago
> 'Deceit' does not start and end with the technical definition of fraud. No, but fraud does start and end within the definition of 'deceit'. > They shout their ads and whisper their disclaimers. Why should we ignore their shouting? I've not personally seen ads for supplements of the kind you're describing, but if they* were* advertising features that weren't actually available in the products, that is, at minimum, a bait-and-switch ad, which is already a fraudulent practice. > Why should you be able to sell something that you lead others to believe is good for them when it isn't? Whether it is or isn't "good for them" is, of course, determined by them - we're in the realm of value judgments here - and while it's entirely unethical and already illegal to sell someone a product on the basis of fraudulent information, selling a product with an explicit disclaimer that states that the product has not been empirically proven to fulfill any health claims made about it is perfectly legitimate. Selling dandelions in a box marked "dandelions" without making any unprovable claims is always perfectly OK; selling dandelions as a cure for cancer is already a fraudulent activity punishable by law.

by derleth 14y ago

Gormo 14y ago

> 'Deceit' does not start and end with the technical definition of fraud. No, but fraud does start and end within the definition of 'deceit'. > They shout their ads and whisper their disclaimers. Why should we ignore their shouting? I've not personally seen ads for supplements of the kind you're describing, but if they* were* advertising features that weren't actually available in the products, that is, at minimum, a bait-and-switch ad, which is already a fraudulent practice. > Why should you be able to sell something that you lead others to believe is good for them when it isn't? Whether it is or isn't "good for them" is, of course, determined by them - we're in the realm of value judgments here - and while it's entirely unethical and already illegal to sell someone a product on the basis of fraudulent information, selling a product with an explicit disclaimer that states that the product has not been empirically proven to fulfill any health claims made about it is perfectly legitimate. Selling dandelions in a box marked "dandelions" without making any unprovable claims is always perfectly OK; selling dandelions as a cure for cancer is already a fraudulent activity punishable by law.