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What test would be better correlated with intelligence and why?

ok_dad 11mo ago
When the machines become depressed and anxious we'll know they've achieved true intelligence. This is only partly a joke.
- jiggawatts 11mo ago
  This already happens! There have been many reports of CLI AI tools getting frustrated, giving up, and just deleting the whole codebase in anger.
  - lukan 11mo ago
    There are many reports of CLI AI tools displaying words that humans express when they are frustrated and about to give up. Just what they have been trained on. That does not mean they have emotions. And "deleting the whole codebase" sounds more interesting, but I assume is the same thing. "Frustrated" words lead to frustrated actions. Does not mean the LLM was frustrated. Just that in its training data those things happened so it copied them in that situation.
    - jiggawatts 11mo ago
      This is a fundamental philosophical issue with no clear resolution. The same argument could be made about people, animals, etc...
      - lukan 11mo ago
        The difference is, people and animals have a body, nerve system and in general those mushy things we think are responsible for emotions. Computers don't have any of that. And LLM's in particular neither. They were trained to simulate human text responses, that's all. How to get from there to emotions - where is the connection?
        jiggawatts 11mo ago
        Don't confuse the medium with the picture it represents. Porn is pornographic, whether it is a photo or an oil painting. Feelings are feelings, whether they're felt by a squishy meat brain or a perfect atom-by-atom simulation of one in a computer. Or a less-than-perfect simulation of one. Or just a vaguely similar system that is largely indistinguishable from it, as observed from the outside. Individual nerve cells don't have emotions! Ten wired together don't either. Or one hundred, or a thousand... by extension you don't have any feelings either. See also: https://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/thinkingMeat.html https://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/think...
        lukan 11mo ago
        Do you think a simulation of a weather forcast is the same as the real weather? (And science fiction .. is not necessarily science)
        jiggawatts 11mo ago
        > Do you think a simulation of a weather forcast is the same as the real weather? If sufficiently accurate... then yes. It is weather. We are mere information, encoded in the ripples of the fabric of the universe, nothing more.
      - hellzbellz123 11mo ago
        This only seems to be an issue for wishy washy types that insist gpt is alive.
an0malous 11mo ago
A mathematical exam problem not in the training set because mathematical and logical reasoning are usually what people mean by intelligence. I don’t think Einstein or von Neumann could do this SVG problem, does that mean they’re dumb?

ok_dad 11mo ago

When the machines become depressed and anxious we'll know they've achieved true intelligence. This is only partly a joke.

jiggawatts 11mo ago
This already happens! There have been many reports of CLI AI tools getting frustrated, giving up, and just deleting the whole codebase in anger.
- lukan 11mo ago
  There are many reports of CLI AI tools displaying words that humans express when they are frustrated and about to give up. Just what they have been trained on. That does not mean they have emotions. And "deleting the whole codebase" sounds more interesting, but I assume is the same thing. "Frustrated" words lead to frustrated actions. Does not mean the LLM was frustrated. Just that in its training data those things happened so it copied them in that situation.
  - jiggawatts 11mo ago
    This is a fundamental philosophical issue with no clear resolution. The same argument could be made about people, animals, etc...
    - lukan 11mo ago
      The difference is, people and animals have a body, nerve system and in general those mushy things we think are responsible for emotions. Computers don't have any of that. And LLM's in particular neither. They were trained to simulate human text responses, that's all. How to get from there to emotions - where is the connection?
      - jiggawatts 11mo ago
        Don't confuse the medium with the picture it represents. Porn is pornographic, whether it is a photo or an oil painting. Feelings are feelings, whether they're felt by a squishy meat brain or a perfect atom-by-atom simulation of one in a computer. Or a less-than-perfect simulation of one. Or just a vaguely similar system that is largely indistinguishable from it, as observed from the outside. Individual nerve cells don't have emotions! Ten wired together don't either. Or one hundred, or a thousand... by extension you don't have any feelings either. See also: https://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/thinkingMeat.html https://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/think...
        lukan 11mo ago
        Do you think a simulation of a weather forcast is the same as the real weather? (And science fiction .. is not necessarily science)
        jiggawatts 11mo ago
        > Do you think a simulation of a weather forcast is the same as the real weather? If sufficiently accurate... then yes. It is weather. We are mere information, encoded in the ripples of the fabric of the universe, nothing more.
    - hellzbellz123 11mo ago
      This only seems to be an issue for wishy washy types that insist gpt is alive.

an0malous 11mo ago

A mathematical exam problem not in the training set because mathematical and logical reasoning are usually what people mean by intelligence. I don’t think Einstein or von Neumann could do this SVG problem, does that mean they’re dumb?