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Personally I stay away from Corp owned languages. Even cross platform ones like .net, Java and also swift. With the single commercial party owning it you never

Personally I stay away from Corp owned languages. Even cross platform ones like .net, Java and also swift. With the single commercial party owning it you never know if theyll close it, change things for the worse or get acquired by a hostile party which obviously happened to java :(

MattDamonSpace 1y ago
Apple’s the exception that proves the rule, they do a fantastic job supporting legacy APIs, frameworks, and devices
- worik 1y ago
  > they do a fantastic job supporting legacy APIs, frameworks, and devices They do not. They talk a good game, but the development tools, bright and shiny, but mostly work. Mostly, is not good enough. While they have so much mind share in the USA they are unavoidable. But from a developer perspective they are dire As of two years ago. I find it hard to believe they have changed
- morshu9001 1y ago
  There are 10 different answers for how to take a substring by index+len, depending on which version of Swift. They even changed how arrays as function parameters work between versions.
  - rTX5CMRXIfFG 1y ago
    So then just use one version of Swift
    - morshu9001 1y ago
      Not viable to stay on an old version, especially doing iPhone dev. The real answer back in the Swift 1-4 times was to just use ObjC instead, it still had full support.
- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  I’ve been in the Apple ecosystem in one form or the other 40 years and that’s definitely not true compared to Microsoft. Most recently they dropped support for 32 bit Mac and iOS apps. But before that it was dropping support for PPC apps and 68K apps. On the hardware side, the funniest was they dropped support for my Core 2 Duo Mac Mini and I could still install a supported version of Windows 7 on it.
vlovich123 1y ago
Which language would you classify as not corp owned? It’s also weird to include Java and Swift in that list considering both afaik are maintained by a separate foundation. Java from Sun is even predominantly basically OpenJDK with some remaining proprietary Sun / Oracle bits but it’s the reference open source implementation used by most everyone.
- ndiddy 1y ago
  > Java from Sun is even predominantly basically OpenJDK with some remaining proprietary Sun / Oracle bits but it’s the reference open source implementation used by most everyone. Note that Oracle contributes around 90% of the work to OpenJDK. If they decided to stop working on it, there would be a big gap to fill.
  - vlovich123 1y ago
    That’s generally true of most languages. Rust is struggling with this right now. I’d say though that Oracle is highly unlikely to stop working on Java and Google is still invested in the JDK even though they’re trying to shift new code in this space towards Kotlin (another “corp owned” language)
- burnermore 1y ago
  Python, Zig, Elixir, JS, C to name a few?
  - ladyanita22 1y ago
    Also rust, c++
    - vlovich123 1y ago
      > Python, Zig, Elixir, JS, C to name a few? For a significant portion of time Python was funded by Google, Meta and Facebook and maybe some other corps. Zig doesn’t have any serious adoption in the industry yet but if/when it does I’d expect corps to be hiring the language devs. JS is a consortium but it’s filled primarily with Google and Apple engineers. Same goes for C/C++ lot of Apple, MS and Google engineers. Elixir I’m not sure about. Rust was largely turns out employed by Amazon until the most recent culling. It’s not surprising. This is technically difficult work and if the language is important to a corp they’ll hire the maintainers. There needs to be a funding source and in the industry that typically means a for profit company paying the salary of the people moving things forward. Indeed - it’s one of the things Rust is struggling with for now.

MattDamonSpace 1y ago

Apple’s the exception that proves the rule, they do a fantastic job supporting legacy APIs, frameworks, and devices

worik 1y ago
> they do a fantastic job supporting legacy APIs, frameworks, and devices They do not. They talk a good game, but the development tools, bright and shiny, but mostly work. Mostly, is not good enough. While they have so much mind share in the USA they are unavoidable. But from a developer perspective they are dire As of two years ago. I find it hard to believe they have changed
morshu9001 1y ago
There are 10 different answers for how to take a substring by index+len, depending on which version of Swift. They even changed how arrays as function parameters work between versions.
- rTX5CMRXIfFG 1y ago
  So then just use one version of Swift
  - morshu9001 1y ago
    Not viable to stay on an old version, especially doing iPhone dev. The real answer back in the Swift 1-4 times was to just use ObjC instead, it still had full support.
raw_anon_1111 1y ago
I’ve been in the Apple ecosystem in one form or the other 40 years and that’s definitely not true compared to Microsoft. Most recently they dropped support for 32 bit Mac and iOS apps. But before that it was dropping support for PPC apps and 68K apps. On the hardware side, the funniest was they dropped support for my Core 2 Duo Mac Mini and I could still install a supported version of Windows 7 on it.

vlovich123 1y ago

Which language would you classify as not corp owned? It’s also weird to include Java and Swift in that list considering both afaik are maintained by a separate foundation. Java from Sun is even predominantly basically OpenJDK with some remaining proprietary Sun / Oracle bits but it’s the reference open source implementation used by most everyone.

ndiddy 1y ago
> Java from Sun is even predominantly basically OpenJDK with some remaining proprietary Sun / Oracle bits but it’s the reference open source implementation used by most everyone. Note that Oracle contributes around 90% of the work to OpenJDK. If they decided to stop working on it, there would be a big gap to fill.
- vlovich123 1y ago
  That’s generally true of most languages. Rust is struggling with this right now. I’d say though that Oracle is highly unlikely to stop working on Java and Google is still invested in the JDK even though they’re trying to shift new code in this space towards Kotlin (another “corp owned” language)
burnermore 1y ago
Python, Zig, Elixir, JS, C to name a few?
- ladyanita22 1y ago
  Also rust, c++
  - vlovich123 1y ago
    > Python, Zig, Elixir, JS, C to name a few? For a significant portion of time Python was funded by Google, Meta and Facebook and maybe some other corps. Zig doesn’t have any serious adoption in the industry yet but if/when it does I’d expect corps to be hiring the language devs. JS is a consortium but it’s filled primarily with Google and Apple engineers. Same goes for C/C++ lot of Apple, MS and Google engineers. Elixir I’m not sure about. Rust was largely turns out employed by Amazon until the most recent culling. It’s not surprising. This is technically difficult work and if the language is important to a corp they’ll hire the maintainers. There needs to be a funding source and in the industry that typically means a for profit company paying the salary of the people moving things forward. Indeed - it’s one of the things Rust is struggling with for now.