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This is a false equivalency I'm surprised no one else has brought up. An archive of a site preserves attribution inherently, the scraping and training are not.
by TrueDuality 11mo ago
This is a false equivalency I'm surprised no one else has brought up. An archive of a site preserves attribution inherently, the scraping and training are not.
- kulahan 11mo agoIs it? I thought it was ridiculous at first, but the more I think of it... both are scenarios where a corporation is scraping billions of webpages. We like the reason archive.is does it, but unless it's some kind of charity, I think it's a reasonable comparison.
- didibus 11mo agoarchive.is is a charity no? Or at least they take donations, it seems the legal entity behind it is nebulous, but they don't have ads and have no paid product or offering.
- hoistbypetard 11mo agoThey sure as shit do have ads. Have you ever accidentally followed a link using a browser profile that has no ad blocking enabled? I only rarely browse without some form of content blocking (usually privacy-focused... that takes care of enough ads for me, most of the time). I keep a browser profile that's got no customizations at all, though, for verifying that bugs I see/want to report are not related to one of my extensions. Every once in a while, I'll accidentally open a link to a news site (or to an archive of such a site) in that vanilla profile. I'm shocked at how many ads you see if you don't take some counter measures. I just confirmed in that profile: archive.is definitely puts ads around the sites they've archived.
- didibus 11mo agoI stand corrected, maybe it's because I have ad-blocks that I never noticed. And arguably I used to think it was the Internet Archive. It does make this case seem problematic now that I know the details.
- warkdarrior 11mo agoSo if OpenAI or <AI scraper of the day> adds attribution to their AI-generated answers, everything is OK?
- cestith 11mo agoIt would be closer to okay.