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"You're insane for opposing genocide!!" is an unbelievably patronizing, if not outright insane take. You're literally losing huge swathes of the American Chris

"You're insane for opposing genocide!!" is an unbelievably patronizing, if not outright insane take. You're literally losing huge swathes of the American Christian Right, as we speak. Those guys don't care about Hamas or Palestine or the occupied West Bank. You need to wake up! I'm trying to help you.

UltraSane 1y ago
Did you assume I'm Israeli? I'm not. I'm an agnostic. the people ranting about Israel committing genocide in Gaza all happily ignore Article 7 of the Hamas charter that quotes a hadith: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." This is explicitly about killing Jews, not just opposing Zionism or dismantling a state. Combined with the charter's call to eliminate Israel and "liberate" all of Palestine through armed struggle, this effectively calls for the violent removal or elimination of Jews from the territory
- pphysch 11mo ago
  You don't have to be Israeli or Jewish to be a (widely-despised) Zionist or regurgitate their murderous propaganda.
  - UltraSane 11mo ago
    " or regurgitate their murderous propaganda." You say this while utterly ignoring the fact that the Hamas Charter's goal is to kill all Jews? Thanks for proving my point. I honestly have no idea what the word Zionist means anymore since Israel has existed for 77 years and seems likely to continue to exist for at least another 77 years. Can you explain to me what it means?
    - pphysch 11mo ago
      > the Hamas Charter's goal is to kill all Jews This is blood libel, murderous propaganda. There is nothing of this sort in the current Hamas charter.
      - dlubarov 11mo ago
        Hamas only has one charter. Some Westerners like to think of the separate 2017 document as an "updated charter", but Hamas themselves never used such language, and in fact explicitly stated that the 2017 document did not replace the charter.
      - UltraSane 11mo ago
        What is it about Israel/Jews that make people say things this stupid and obviously false? Hamas's mass murder of innocent civilians on Oct 7 2023 shows what their real goals are. Hamas charter that quotes a hadith: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." This is explicitly about killing Jews, not just opposing Zionism or dismantling a state. Combined with the charter's call to eliminate Israel and "liberate" all of Palestine through armed struggle, this effectively calls for the violent removal or elimination of Jews from the territory And Gaza has been ethnically cleansed of nearly every non-muslim.
        pphysch 11mo ago
        I'm a huge proponent of factually investigating what happened on Oct 7, 2023--who killed who--but sadly the Israeli regime is not. They would rather paper it over and leverage it as atrocity propaganda to commit a genocide, then investigate and bring criminals to justice. A wild contrast between barbarism and civilization.

UltraSane 1y ago

Did you assume I'm Israeli? I'm not. I'm an agnostic. the people ranting about Israel committing genocide in Gaza all happily ignore Article 7 of the Hamas charter that quotes a hadith: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." This is explicitly about killing Jews, not just opposing Zionism or dismantling a state. Combined with the charter's call to eliminate Israel and "liberate" all of Palestine through armed struggle, this effectively calls for the violent removal or elimination of Jews from the territory

pphysch 11mo ago
You don't have to be Israeli or Jewish to be a (widely-despised) Zionist or regurgitate their murderous propaganda.
- UltraSane 11mo ago
  " or regurgitate their murderous propaganda." You say this while utterly ignoring the fact that the Hamas Charter's goal is to kill all Jews? Thanks for proving my point. I honestly have no idea what the word Zionist means anymore since Israel has existed for 77 years and seems likely to continue to exist for at least another 77 years. Can you explain to me what it means?
  - pphysch 11mo ago
    > the Hamas Charter's goal is to kill all Jews This is blood libel, murderous propaganda. There is nothing of this sort in the current Hamas charter.
    - dlubarov 11mo ago
      Hamas only has one charter. Some Westerners like to think of the separate 2017 document as an "updated charter", but Hamas themselves never used such language, and in fact explicitly stated that the 2017 document did not replace the charter.
    - UltraSane 11mo ago
      What is it about Israel/Jews that make people say things this stupid and obviously false? Hamas's mass murder of innocent civilians on Oct 7 2023 shows what their real goals are. Hamas charter that quotes a hadith: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." This is explicitly about killing Jews, not just opposing Zionism or dismantling a state. Combined with the charter's call to eliminate Israel and "liberate" all of Palestine through armed struggle, this effectively calls for the violent removal or elimination of Jews from the territory And Gaza has been ethnically cleansed of nearly every non-muslim.
      - pphysch 11mo ago
        I'm a huge proponent of factually investigating what happened on Oct 7, 2023--who killed who--but sadly the Israeli regime is not. They would rather paper it over and leverage it as atrocity propaganda to commit a genocide, then investigate and bring criminals to justice. A wild contrast between barbarism and civilization.