4 ms·

Does this mean they're abandoning Zigbee compatibility? In my experience, Ikea was making the most reliable Zigbee devices considering the price (as someone who

Does this mean they're abandoning Zigbee compatibility? In my experience, Ikea was making the most reliable Zigbee devices considering the price (as someone who just uses Zigbee and no Ikea hubs, just HA+Zigbee), and would be a shame to lose that, but maybe it's a clear sign I should investigate starting to use Matter more instead?

j45 1y ago
Investigate using home assistant and keep using both from one place.
james-bcn 1y ago
Isn't Matter derived from Zigbee?
- devttyeu 1y ago
  Both use 802.15.4 but iiuc zigbee does that with some incompatibilities.
  - namibj 1y ago
    That in itself is an umbrella. There's 3~5 variants that require separate radios or at least separate frontends to work probably. Notably these days are the ZigBee PHY and the FiRa PHY.
- gorbypark 1y ago
  Yes and no. Zigbee is both the transport and the protocol, whereas Matter is a protocol but can run over different transports. Most common in Thread or WiFi, but it could be over ethernet or anything else, really. I would say Matter is not derived from zigbee, but Thread could be considered a derivative.
jeroenhd 1y ago
The new Dirigera hub supports both for now (https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/customer-service/knowledge/articles/2g8d1gb3-9599-435e-8130-f55bccb00f3f.html https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/customer-service/knowledge/articl...) so they'll probably slowly transition. It depends on your setup how easy it would be, but the Zigbee stick I use for controlling Ikea stuff also has firmware available for using it with Matter. There's a good chance whatever IoT solution you use can be hooked up to Matter.
bluGill 1y ago
Matter is now a standard not just a common spec. Everyone should demand all new smart home devices support matter. (it is okay if you use Zigbee or some other alternative to control it today but you should still demand matter for the day you switch - that day should come) In particular note the bane of all smart homes: if you have to move the next owner won't have a clue what you did. In the worst case you have to hire an electrician (no DIY allowed since it isn't your house anymore) to rip that out so your house is livable. If you are using matter there is a chance they can start using your system in their own way. The more matter takes off the more likely this is. Also the more likely others will use it - perhaps you next house will have matter installed for you and so you can just automate it where you want to instead of rewiring the house first.
- sisiphos74 1y ago
  [dead]
- guerrilla 1y ago
  So, right now I use a Zigbee dongle on my a Raspberry Pi. Is that goimg to be possible with Matter?
  - nexus7556 1y ago
    Yes, here is the one I use https://www.home-assistant.io/connectzbt1/ https://www.home-assistant.io/connectzbt1/
  - kristofferR 1y ago
    Matter is just the software. A lot of Matter devices use Thread as their radio protocol (think of it as "Zigbee 2.0") though, and you need a separate radio/dongle for that. Seems like Home Assistant will launch a combo Zigbee/Thread dongle with great range in two weeks, might want to wait for that: https://old.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/1opak9w/new_hardware_product_coming_from_nabu_casa/ https://old.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/1opak9w/new_...
    - 1y ago
kyriakos 1y ago
you can get a Zigbee / Matter / Thread coordinator and continue using HA as before (google SMLIGHT)

j45 1y ago

Investigate using home assistant and keep using both from one place.

james-bcn 1y ago

Isn't Matter derived from Zigbee?

devttyeu 1y ago
Both use 802.15.4 but iiuc zigbee does that with some incompatibilities.
- namibj 1y ago
  That in itself is an umbrella. There's 3~5 variants that require separate radios or at least separate frontends to work probably. Notably these days are the ZigBee PHY and the FiRa PHY.
gorbypark 1y ago
Yes and no. Zigbee is both the transport and the protocol, whereas Matter is a protocol but can run over different transports. Most common in Thread or WiFi, but it could be over ethernet or anything else, really. I would say Matter is not derived from zigbee, but Thread could be considered a derivative.

jeroenhd 1y ago

The new Dirigera hub supports both for now (https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/customer-service/knowledge/articles/2g8d1gb3-9599-435e-8130-f55bccb00f3f.html https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/customer-service/knowledge/articl...) so they'll probably slowly transition. It depends on your setup how easy it would be, but the Zigbee stick I use for controlling Ikea stuff also has firmware available for using it with Matter. There's a good chance whatever IoT solution you use can be hooked up to Matter.

bluGill 1y ago

Matter is now a standard not just a common spec. Everyone should demand all new smart home devices support matter. (it is okay if you use Zigbee or some other alternative to control it today but you should still demand matter for the day you switch - that day should come) In particular note the bane of all smart homes: if you have to move the next owner won't have a clue what you did. In the worst case you have to hire an electrician (no DIY allowed since it isn't your house anymore) to rip that out so your house is livable. If you are using matter there is a chance they can start using your system in their own way. The more matter takes off the more likely this is. Also the more likely others will use it - perhaps you next house will have matter installed for you and so you can just automate it where you want to instead of rewiring the house first.

sisiphos74 1y ago
[dead]
guerrilla 1y ago
So, right now I use a Zigbee dongle on my a Raspberry Pi. Is that goimg to be possible with Matter?
- nexus7556 1y ago
  Yes, here is the one I use https://www.home-assistant.io/connectzbt1/ https://www.home-assistant.io/connectzbt1/
- kristofferR 1y ago
  Matter is just the software. A lot of Matter devices use Thread as their radio protocol (think of it as "Zigbee 2.0") though, and you need a separate radio/dongle for that. Seems like Home Assistant will launch a combo Zigbee/Thread dongle with great range in two weeks, might want to wait for that: https://old.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/1opak9w/new_hardware_product_coming_from_nabu_casa/ https://old.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/1opak9w/new_...
  - 1y ago

kyriakos 1y ago

you can get a Zigbee / Matter / Thread coordinator and continue using HA as before (google SMLIGHT)