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How does this interact with the EU "eCall" mandate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall (one of those things I've seen very

by pjc50 1y ago

How does this interact with the EU "eCall" mandate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall (one of those things I've seen very little discussion of, the WP page correctly points out that this mandates a mobile-station in every car; although it does not precisely mandate that it be always-on, in practice it will be in order to manage messaging promptly)

stavros 1y ago
Phones can call 112 without a SIM, so it might work, though I haven't tried it.
- ctm92 1y ago
  I thought this was removed due to abuse taking place with such phones
  - stavros 1y ago
    Oh hm, I don't know, and I didn't want to try by placing spurious emergency calls.
    - namibj 1y ago
      Try next time you see an emergency that you can call in, to pop your sim first. At least if it's not one where seconds count.
p_l 1y ago
Since eCall uses 112 infrastructure, it does not need subscriber identity, as the call will be accepted by any network in range.
- rickdeckard 1y ago
  This is no longer reliably the case, because the carrier is legally required to provide a minimum set of information about the caller (its location) to the emergency services, which many cannot fulfill if the call was made without a SIM. In the past they handled the call without that information, but after an incident in 2013 the court ruled that the requirements also must be fulfilled without a SIM (0). So some carriers (notably all German ones) stopped accepting Emergency calls without SIM, first to not be in violation of the law but nowadays apparently due to "misuse" (?) (1). (0) https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:62018CJ0417 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... (1) https://www.heise.de/en/background/112-Emergency-Call-Day-No-rescue-without-location-data-10276257.html https://www.heise.de/en/background/112-Emergency-Call-Day-No...
  - p_l 1y ago
    Apparently the lack of emergency calls without SIM is due to pre-existing german practice because of some "misuse" of emergency calls. I have no words that would not end up in things that might necessity calling 112...
- fulafel 1y ago
  Isn't the network still tracking you via the modem's IMEI in that case?

by pjc50 1y ago

stavros 1y ago

Phones can call 112 without a SIM, so it might work, though I haven't tried it.

ctm92 1y ago
I thought this was removed due to abuse taking place with such phones
- stavros 1y ago
  Oh hm, I don't know, and I didn't want to try by placing spurious emergency calls.
  - namibj 1y ago
    Try next time you see an emergency that you can call in, to pop your sim first. At least if it's not one where seconds count.

p_l 1y ago

Since eCall uses 112 infrastructure, it does not need subscriber identity, as the call will be accepted by any network in range.

rickdeckard 1y ago
This is no longer reliably the case, because the carrier is legally required to provide a minimum set of information about the caller (its location) to the emergency services, which many cannot fulfill if the call was made without a SIM. In the past they handled the call without that information, but after an incident in 2013 the court ruled that the requirements also must be fulfilled without a SIM (0). So some carriers (notably all German ones) stopped accepting Emergency calls without SIM, first to not be in violation of the law but nowadays apparently due to "misuse" (?) (1). (0) https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:62018CJ0417 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... (1) https://www.heise.de/en/background/112-Emergency-Call-Day-No-rescue-without-location-data-10276257.html https://www.heise.de/en/background/112-Emergency-Call-Day-No...
- p_l 1y ago
  Apparently the lack of emergency calls without SIM is due to pre-existing german practice because of some "misuse" of emergency calls. I have no words that would not end up in things that might necessity calling 112...
fulafel 1y ago
Isn't the network still tracking you via the modem's IMEI in that case?