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that's what "climate skeptics" have been saying for twenty years but you would get bullied for saying so. my favorite was getting told we "deserved it" for bei

by dingnuts 11mo ago

that's what "climate skeptics" have been saying for twenty years but you would get bullied for saying so. my favorite was getting told we "deserved it" for being in Texas during the ice apocalypse, because Texas is a red state. I hope that people exhibiting that kind of behavior are finally starting to question whether or not it's helpful. The article suggests that is perhaps beginning to happen. If you want people to make sacrifices to improve the future, just maybe messaging that it's hopeless and anyone who doesn't see that is stupid isn't the best strategy for effecting real change

hobofan 11mo ago
> particularly for people in the poorest countries > for being in Texas News flash: climate change by and large isn't about the US, and US will be one of the least impacted nations of first hand climate change effects.
- Lord-Jobo 11mo ago
  Not who you are replying to, but two of the most populated U.S states will massively depopulate with much more climate change. Texas and Florida are turning into complete furnaces for 1/3 of the year and subject to catastrophic severe weather another 1/3. Which is a small deal compared to a billion foreign migrants, which is also a possibility, but still a massive deal. You are completely correct that the first world will escape most of the direct and dire pain resulting from our irresponsible burning of the future. I also think trying to suss out “who is going to suffer more” is basically pointless when so much of our economy is based worldwide trade and so much of our society is expecting relatively stable populations, two things that will change rapidly with a few climate shifts. *this entire thread is getting at one thing: yes, humanity and the general summary of human knowledge will almost certainly survive the extreme chaos we are heading for. That should not be much consolation to you, because the chaos will set back the human experience 150 years for generations that include you and your children. Especially when the chaos involves incredible strife for many nations with nuclear armament.
RickJWagner 11mo ago
You’re right, and you’re being downvoted for being so. The bullying and name calling were intolerable. Even suggesting that the earths demise was not immediate would label you a denier and ignorant about the undeniable science behind the alarms. It seems the tide is turning and some of the leading voices in the earth-is-cooking camp are now walking things back. Don’t wait for an apology, though.
- epistasis 11mo ago
  You folks should stop hanging around such awful, nasty people. Or, maybe you're not remembering very well what actually happened in these conversations, but it would be shame to break apart a self-pity party.

hobofan 11mo ago

> particularly for people in the poorest countries > for being in Texas News flash: climate change by and large isn't about the US, and US will be one of the least impacted nations of first hand climate change effects.

Lord-Jobo 11mo ago
Not who you are replying to, but two of the most populated U.S states will massively depopulate with much more climate change. Texas and Florida are turning into complete furnaces for 1/3 of the year and subject to catastrophic severe weather another 1/3. Which is a small deal compared to a billion foreign migrants, which is also a possibility, but still a massive deal. You are completely correct that the first world will escape most of the direct and dire pain resulting from our irresponsible burning of the future. I also think trying to suss out “who is going to suffer more” is basically pointless when so much of our economy is based worldwide trade and so much of our society is expecting relatively stable populations, two things that will change rapidly with a few climate shifts. *this entire thread is getting at one thing: yes, humanity and the general summary of human knowledge will almost certainly survive the extreme chaos we are heading for. That should not be much consolation to you, because the chaos will set back the human experience 150 years for generations that include you and your children. Especially when the chaos involves incredible strife for many nations with nuclear armament.

RickJWagner 11mo ago

You’re right, and you’re being downvoted for being so. The bullying and name calling were intolerable. Even suggesting that the earths demise was not immediate would label you a denier and ignorant about the undeniable science behind the alarms. It seems the tide is turning and some of the leading voices in the earth-is-cooking camp are now walking things back. Don’t wait for an apology, though.

epistasis 11mo ago
You folks should stop hanging around such awful, nasty people. Or, maybe you're not remembering very well what actually happened in these conversations, but it would be shame to break apart a self-pity party.