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A lot of this is the direct result of trying to run a government like a business. If we instead left some things that are unprofitable but important to governme

by throwway120385 1y ago

A lot of this is the direct result of trying to run a government like a business. If we instead left some things that are unprofitable but important to government then we'd probably get better results than having businesses do those things expecting a profit. This was the model in the 30's, 40's and 50's that led to the "golden age" that people are now trying to recapture.

NoMoreNicksLeft 1y ago
The 1940s you get for free, what with the war and all nothing was ever going to be very tolerable. But what about the 1930s is a "golden age" in your opinion? What exactly is it from that era that you wish we had more of?
- throwway120385 1y ago
  Look, I'm just trying to represent as best I can the sentiment that drives a lot of this regression to how things were in the early part of the 20th century. I agree completely the depression sucked. My grandparents on both sides lived through it and you could see how much it sucked in the habits they cultivated. You'll get no argument from me.
vlovich123 1y ago
The golden age people are trying to recapture is the aftermath of a world war that decimated almost every major power except the US and then the US happily rebuilt everyone’s economies in exchange for riches and power. The 21st century looks very different and only really MAGA folks are looking to rewind the clock as a way to move forward.
- rapatel0 1y ago
  The economic theory of MAGA, is that the united states yes rebuilt the world but also exported the US consumer economy through asymmetric nonreciprocal tariffs. Rebuilding countries made money by selling to the US consumer, not the other way around. You can argue that it's overall bad for the economy, but I think you're missing the arguement.
rapatel0 1y ago
You're describe an age where the government was a wash with surplus dollars. Secondly, most of these research institutions run as non-profits that effectively just cover costs (but run a large hedge fund as a side business) The escalation in costs have come from: - Incentives around US News College rankings (and the amenities that drive the rankings) - Administrative (non-teaching, non-research) bloat Research is definitely in need of reform though, but not sure these outcomes are actually causal or even corrilated.
- entropicdrifter 1y ago
  >You're describe an age where the government was a wash with surplus dollars. Hey, good point. We should really bring back that 90% top tax bracket rate to get the government back to being financially solvent again.
  - philipallstar 1y ago
    The government has a spending problem, not an income problem.
    - throwway120385 1y ago
      Every spending problem is also an income problem. Whether you see it as a spending problem or an income problem is really just showing whether you value the things we spend money on or not.
      - philipallstar 1y ago
        Yes, correct.
  - rapatel0 1y ago
    In the 20s-40s (pre-ww2), tax revenue was ~2% of GDP. It is currently >20% of GDP It's a spending problem. You're anchoring on a talking point with out actually running numbers. Don't believe me, run the numbers yourself.

NoMoreNicksLeft 1y ago

The 1940s you get for free, what with the war and all nothing was ever going to be very tolerable. But what about the 1930s is a "golden age" in your opinion? What exactly is it from that era that you wish we had more of?

throwway120385 1y ago
Look, I'm just trying to represent as best I can the sentiment that drives a lot of this regression to how things were in the early part of the 20th century. I agree completely the depression sucked. My grandparents on both sides lived through it and you could see how much it sucked in the habits they cultivated. You'll get no argument from me.

vlovich123 1y ago

The golden age people are trying to recapture is the aftermath of a world war that decimated almost every major power except the US and then the US happily rebuilt everyone’s economies in exchange for riches and power. The 21st century looks very different and only really MAGA folks are looking to rewind the clock as a way to move forward.

rapatel0 1y ago
The economic theory of MAGA, is that the united states yes rebuilt the world but also exported the US consumer economy through asymmetric nonreciprocal tariffs. Rebuilding countries made money by selling to the US consumer, not the other way around. You can argue that it's overall bad for the economy, but I think you're missing the arguement.

rapatel0 1y ago

You're describe an age where the government was a wash with surplus dollars. Secondly, most of these research institutions run as non-profits that effectively just cover costs (but run a large hedge fund as a side business) The escalation in costs have come from: - Incentives around US News College rankings (and the amenities that drive the rankings) - Administrative (non-teaching, non-research) bloat Research is definitely in need of reform though, but not sure these outcomes are actually causal or even corrilated.

entropicdrifter 1y ago
>You're describe an age where the government was a wash with surplus dollars. Hey, good point. We should really bring back that 90% top tax bracket rate to get the government back to being financially solvent again.
- philipallstar 1y ago
  The government has a spending problem, not an income problem.
  - throwway120385 1y ago
    Every spending problem is also an income problem. Whether you see it as a spending problem or an income problem is really just showing whether you value the things we spend money on or not.
    - philipallstar 1y ago
      Yes, correct.
- rapatel0 1y ago
  In the 20s-40s (pre-ww2), tax revenue was ~2% of GDP. It is currently >20% of GDP It's a spending problem. You're anchoring on a talking point with out actually running numbers. Don't believe me, run the numbers yourself.