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Aside from politics, their cars have a reputation for poor quality control. Peeling steering wheels, leaking seals, funky air conditioner smells, etc. Then when

Aside from politics, their cars have a reputation for poor quality control. Peeling steering wheels, leaking seals, funky air conditioner smells, etc. Then when there are problems you may be waiting months while it sits in a service center. Or the stupid thing may shut off (due to errors or updates) right when you need it. I would not want to buy one of them for any of those reasons, regardless.

mattmaroon 1y ago
And they don’t have CarPlay. I was considering one but then I started dating a girl who drives a Model Y. So many little things wrong. Like the vent fan rattles, leather peels, etc. And when you get even a minor ding in the exterior, good luck.
dzhiurgis 1y ago
And their nearest competition Hyundai/Kia have disintegrating reduction gear and exploding inverters. All cars have issues, but stats favour Tesla all while they are cheapest to repair.
- Night_Thastus 1y ago
  Right now the electric car market sucks in the US. I'd honestly recommend people just go hybrid instead. Toyota has been doing it for 18 years now and hasn't had any reliability issues.
  - dzhiurgis 1y ago
    But then you’d drive a car made for an 80 year old.
    - Night_Thastus 1y ago
      I don't really feel that's a fair analysis of either the brand or hybrids in general and paints in too broad of strokes. But regardless, If someone really wants a sporty car, they can get a sporty car. The vast majority of car buyers don't really care. They care about things like space, comfort, features, and monthly payment.
      - dzhiurgis 1y ago
        It's not only sportiness. It's also absolutely spartan features / technology that's also got terrible usability, bare minimum comfort level, etc. Reliability is mixed bag too - hybrid batteries clap out pretty quickly and then you got all downsides of ICE maintenance. The only niche I see remaining for hybrids/phev's is large cars in large countries with bad charging infrastructure (aka US, AU).
        Night_Thastus 1y ago
        All the evidence I've seen says hybrid batteries can often outlive the whole car. Im not sure how hybrid had anything to do with other features or comfort. Features like carplay/aa, heated wheel/seats, ventilated seats, automatic wipers/parking brake/high beams are all independent from drive train. I've never seen a manufacturer reserve them for ICE or electric-only.

mattmaroon 1y ago

And they don’t have CarPlay. I was considering one but then I started dating a girl who drives a Model Y. So many little things wrong. Like the vent fan rattles, leather peels, etc. And when you get even a minor ding in the exterior, good luck.

dzhiurgis 1y ago

And their nearest competition Hyundai/Kia have disintegrating reduction gear and exploding inverters. All cars have issues, but stats favour Tesla all while they are cheapest to repair.

Night_Thastus 1y ago
Right now the electric car market sucks in the US. I'd honestly recommend people just go hybrid instead. Toyota has been doing it for 18 years now and hasn't had any reliability issues.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  But then you’d drive a car made for an 80 year old.
  - Night_Thastus 1y ago
    I don't really feel that's a fair analysis of either the brand or hybrids in general and paints in too broad of strokes. But regardless, If someone really wants a sporty car, they can get a sporty car. The vast majority of car buyers don't really care. They care about things like space, comfort, features, and monthly payment.
    - dzhiurgis 1y ago
      It's not only sportiness. It's also absolutely spartan features / technology that's also got terrible usability, bare minimum comfort level, etc. Reliability is mixed bag too - hybrid batteries clap out pretty quickly and then you got all downsides of ICE maintenance. The only niche I see remaining for hybrids/phev's is large cars in large countries with bad charging infrastructure (aka US, AU).
      - Night_Thastus 1y ago
        All the evidence I've seen says hybrid batteries can often outlive the whole car. Im not sure how hybrid had anything to do with other features or comfort. Features like carplay/aa, heated wheel/seats, ventilated seats, automatic wipers/parking brake/high beams are all independent from drive train. I've never seen a manufacturer reserve them for ICE or electric-only.