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The whole concept of big cloud somehow setting up sovereign clouds in Europe seems incredibly naive to me. Every AWS employee knows where his bread is buttered

by Havoc 1y ago

The whole concept of big cloud somehow setting up sovereign clouds in Europe seems incredibly naive to me. Every AWS employee knows where his bread is buttered - Seattle not Brussels

anthem2025 1y ago
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rdtsc 1y ago
Yup. I always thought it was a way just to get business in EU. Do some performative dance of "hey, look! a separate DC building with EU employees only" and then hope nobody would ask too many questions. Then the next level is regulators in EU also have to care and can't just say "ok, you have a separate DC building with EU employees only. Good. My job is done, I checked" and move on.
mk89 1y ago
Apparently someone buys it, otherwise AWS would not invest 8+ billions in Germany: https://www.aboutamazon.eu/news/aws/aws-plans-to-invest-7-8-billion-into-the-aws-european-sovereign-cloud https://www.aboutamazon.eu/news/aws/aws-plans-to-invest-7-8-... "If it's certified, it must be good".
- Havoc 1y ago
  They buy it because it's enough to tick the corporate compliance box. Decisions made by people that don't actually give a F
  - mk89 1y ago
    It's all because of something that started years ago: the move to the cloud. Companies started to move to cloud like there was no tomorrow. Their on-prem products became maintenance or zombies. Now you want the self hosted? Good luck. What's the alternative for a SaaS provider? Support all the possible cloud alternatives? That's nearly impossible, so some companies (mainly big organizations) provide their software/SaaS in AWS gov regions and so be it. (Or... be smart, see the trend and start selling your software again in self-hosted solutions!) For a consumer (gov, for example) this means: you don't have that feature, you give in, or you build it/let it build (open source). This is the only reason why we saw the recent announcement of the Austrian govt that was able to migrate from MS to Nextcloud. Without an alternative, ... they couldn't have done anything.
Yeul 1y ago
Yep when the CIA calls every American salutes and follows orders.
- pqtyw 1y ago
  Well no, but Bezos, Zuckerberg and Tim Apple will come grovelling when they are called... that's all it takes. If you do something that the EU doesn't like it's response will be relatively rational and proportional. While the US government is currently run by unpredictable and volatile people. So risk/reward wise it's rather obvious whose orders they will be following.

by Havoc 1y ago

The whole concept of big cloud somehow setting up sovereign clouds in Europe seems incredibly naive to me. Every AWS employee knows where his bread is buttered - Seattle not Brussels

anthem2025 1y ago

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rdtsc 1y ago

Yup. I always thought it was a way just to get business in EU. Do some performative dance of "hey, look! a separate DC building with EU employees only" and then hope nobody would ask too many questions. Then the next level is regulators in EU also have to care and can't just say "ok, you have a separate DC building with EU employees only. Good. My job is done, I checked" and move on.

mk89 1y ago

Apparently someone buys it, otherwise AWS would not invest 8+ billions in Germany: https://www.aboutamazon.eu/news/aws/aws-plans-to-invest-7-8-billion-into-the-aws-european-sovereign-cloud https://www.aboutamazon.eu/news/aws/aws-plans-to-invest-7-8-... "If it's certified, it must be good".

Havoc 1y ago
They buy it because it's enough to tick the corporate compliance box. Decisions made by people that don't actually give a F
- mk89 1y ago
  It's all because of something that started years ago: the move to the cloud. Companies started to move to cloud like there was no tomorrow. Their on-prem products became maintenance or zombies. Now you want the self hosted? Good luck. What's the alternative for a SaaS provider? Support all the possible cloud alternatives? That's nearly impossible, so some companies (mainly big organizations) provide their software/SaaS in AWS gov regions and so be it. (Or... be smart, see the trend and start selling your software again in self-hosted solutions!) For a consumer (gov, for example) this means: you don't have that feature, you give in, or you build it/let it build (open source). This is the only reason why we saw the recent announcement of the Austrian govt that was able to migrate from MS to Nextcloud. Without an alternative, ... they couldn't have done anything.

Yeul 1y ago

Yep when the CIA calls every American salutes and follows orders.

pqtyw 1y ago
Well no, but Bezos, Zuckerberg and Tim Apple will come grovelling when they are called... that's all it takes. If you do something that the EU doesn't like it's response will be relatively rational and proportional. While the US government is currently run by unpredictable and volatile people. So risk/reward wise it's rather obvious whose orders they will be following.