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This isn't usually how I hear the NDAA characterized. I'd be interested if you had more I could read on this perspective. Keep in mind that definitions of term

This isn't usually how I hear the NDAA characterized. I'd be interested if you had more I could read on this perspective. Keep in mind that definitions of terms like "material support" give wide latitude to interpretation. Last I heard there were people in jail under such terms for donating money to what on the surface appeared to be an Islamic charity. I never ran a mirror, but I configured DNS record for wikileaks when it was under DoS. Does this make me an "enemy of the state" too? I think these are justified concerns and as an American it saddens me deeply that I would even think to have them.

tptacek 14y ago
Respectfully, Marsh (you know it's all respect with you & me, even though I think you wear a tinfoil hat and you think I'm a tool of the status quo), you believe this stuff because you only read about the NDAA from advocacy sources. Material support has a specific definition. Your donation must be made "knowing or intending that they are to be used in preparation for" an actual terrorist attack. You cannot be killed by the death robots for donating to Islamic charities. What specific people do you believe have been unjustly imprisoned for donating to Islamic charities?
- marshray 14y ago
  you know it's all respect with you & me, even though I think you wear a tinfoil hat Oh absolutely. I'm in touch with with my inner tinfoil-hat-ness and am secretly less off the deep end than my tweets would make it appear. (at least that's what I tell myself :-) and you think I'm a tool of the status quo), you believe this stuff because you only read about the NDAA from advocacy sources. No, I know you're too smart for that. This is why I'm interested in how you came to your conclusion. What specific people do you believe have been unjustly imprisoned for donating to Islamic charities? This is probably what I was thinking of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land_Foundation_for_Relief_and_Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land_Foundation_for_Relie... (note that I'm not saying this specific prosecution was just or unjust, only that it supports the theory that prosecutions are possible under a definition of "material support" which includes giving to what is ostensibly a charity).
  - tptacek 14y ago
    The law requires foreknowledge of an actual terrorist action that the donation contributes to. Moreover: I'm actually wrong here; the Obama Administration (which, recall, was pushing back on a far broader standard requested by the GOP-controlled Congress) applied a stricter standard, of "substantial support", which I understand to mean that not only do you need to have foreknowledge that your contribution applied to an actual terrorist attack, but also that your contribution actually has to have significantly enabled the attack.

tptacek 14y ago

Respectfully, Marsh (you know it's all respect with you & me, even though I think you wear a tinfoil hat and you think I'm a tool of the status quo), you believe this stuff because you only read about the NDAA from advocacy sources. Material support has a specific definition. Your donation must be made "knowing or intending that they are to be used in preparation for" an actual terrorist attack. You cannot be killed by the death robots for donating to Islamic charities. What specific people do you believe have been unjustly imprisoned for donating to Islamic charities?

marshray 14y ago
you know it's all respect with you & me, even though I think you wear a tinfoil hat Oh absolutely. I'm in touch with with my inner tinfoil-hat-ness and am secretly less off the deep end than my tweets would make it appear. (at least that's what I tell myself :-) and you think I'm a tool of the status quo), you believe this stuff because you only read about the NDAA from advocacy sources. No, I know you're too smart for that. This is why I'm interested in how you came to your conclusion. What specific people do you believe have been unjustly imprisoned for donating to Islamic charities? This is probably what I was thinking of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land_Foundation_for_Relief_and_Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land_Foundation_for_Relie... (note that I'm not saying this specific prosecution was just or unjust, only that it supports the theory that prosecutions are possible under a definition of "material support" which includes giving to what is ostensibly a charity).
- tptacek 14y ago
  The law requires foreknowledge of an actual terrorist action that the donation contributes to. Moreover: I'm actually wrong here; the Obama Administration (which, recall, was pushing back on a far broader standard requested by the GOP-controlled Congress) applied a stricter standard, of "substantial support", which I understand to mean that not only do you need to have foreknowledge that your contribution applied to an actual terrorist attack, but also that your contribution actually has to have significantly enabled the attack.