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It's not, and in fact it forms the basis of Hamas' strategy. When they attacked Israel in October 7th, they didn't really think they're going to win, but they w

It's not, and in fact it forms the basis of Hamas' strategy. When they attacked Israel in October 7th, they didn't really think they're going to win, but they were sure that the world would put the leash on Israel after enough Palestinian blood is spilled, and they could go back to normal. They were mostly wrong, this time; but the strategy of hitting and then running for the public opinion for cover has been going on for the last 50 years.

mapt 11mo ago
There are a bunch of things leading up to Oct 7. Among them: Being a decade deep into a tightened border blockade that leaves little hope of a long-term future for Gaza. Netanyahu's coalition getting more and more aggressive with their rhetoric as far as forcibly annexing what remains of the West Bank, rather than merely annexing small portions every year to house more and more settlers. Repeated open provocations at the Al Aqsa Mosque holy site whenever Netanyahu was feeling politically vulnerable. The US first unilaterally tearing up a treaty to reimpose crippling sanctions, and later inviting the #2 or #3 (depending on how you count) top-ranked leader of Iran, by far the most popular person in the country, to peace talks and then assassinating him when his plane landed. The imminent threat of the Abraham Accords, Israel and the US trying to bribe leaders of regional governments into a coalition against Iran and Palestine.
- BurningFrog 11mo ago
  Gaza has been constantly bombing Israel since Israel left it in 2005. Around 30,000 rockets and mortars over 20 years, killing 50 Israelis and injuring 2000. This is why Israel has imposed a "tightened border blockade". If Gaza stopped attacking, Israel would live in peace with it.
  - CapricornNoble 11mo ago
    >If Gaza stopped attacking, Israel would live in peace with it. The fate of West Bank Palestinians clearly proves that to be an outright lie. https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/year-now-deadliest-palestinians-west-bank-almost-20-years https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/... Halfway through 2023 at least 156 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli action in the West Bank – more than in the whole of 2022 and the highest yearly total since the end of the second Intifada in 2004. At least 28 children are among those killed and thousands more civilians have been injured.
    - flyinglizard 11mo ago
      Practically all non-rocket terror attacks on Israelis originate in the West Bank, so I'm not sure what your point proves. Israel operates in the West Bank daily to prevent those (with considerable success). In the West Bank during 2024 alone, 27 Israelis were murdered and 308 injured. Hardly peaceful coexistence.
    - BurningFrog 11mo ago
      Arab states Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon all border Israel, and do not attack it (post the Hezbollah defeat). Israel lives in peace with them. The West Bank does attack Israel, killing 2-3 Israelis per month since October 7. So Israel fights back. This pattern is simple and logical, if you look at the facts.
      - grimblee 11mo ago
        If we go back to the origin of the conflict though, the real origins, then fact is Palestinians had a country and then the Brits and the early zionists decided it was going to be the jew's. And since then it has been a systematic, gradual, takeover of the land and the culture of the palestinians. Palestinians aren't the aggressors, they are the victims, thoses are the facts, you can try however you want, trying to says "yes but the thora says" I don't care about thousands of years ago, I do care about 70 years ago. In any cases, everyone knows this, the whole world, Israel will always be a nation of murderers that cannot be trusted.
        flyinglizard 11mo ago
        >> then fact is Palestinians had a country Say what? There was never a Palestinian country, and not only that but the "Palestinians" as a nation didn't exist before the conflict with Israel. There were only families and tribes moving across the broader Ottoman empire.
        grimblee 11mo ago
        You can put on your glasses and go as much "achtually" as you want it doesn't change the fact these people lived there for generation and one day zionists came to take their land, with the uk backing them up. The original aggression was on the colonists part, not the local people. Imagine, you lived your while life somewhere, then one day I come, I take your land and I kill your people, then I label any retaliation as "terrorism" and "antisemitism" justifiying your massacre. I don't think you would find that normal and sit by idly, nobody on this planet would. This hypocrisy is so disgusting, I can't even put words on it.
- flyinglizard 11mo ago
  You're at best trying to sanewash what's going on in Gaza, while the core problem that remains is that many Muslims simply won't accept the existence of Israel. The Jews holding a part of their Umma is simply an insult to their prophet. Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian regimes are excellent ambassadors for this view. The fact we even have figures like Ben Gvir in Israeli politics is a result of reactivity in the Israeli public opinion. Any government that promised peace just brought more death and destruction, so now they're trying the other way.

mapt 11mo ago

There are a bunch of things leading up to Oct 7. Among them: Being a decade deep into a tightened border blockade that leaves little hope of a long-term future for Gaza. Netanyahu's coalition getting more and more aggressive with their rhetoric as far as forcibly annexing what remains of the West Bank, rather than merely annexing small portions every year to house more and more settlers. Repeated open provocations at the Al Aqsa Mosque holy site whenever Netanyahu was feeling politically vulnerable. The US first unilaterally tearing up a treaty to reimpose crippling sanctions, and later inviting the #2 or #3 (depending on how you count) top-ranked leader of Iran, by far the most popular person in the country, to peace talks and then assassinating him when his plane landed. The imminent threat of the Abraham Accords, Israel and the US trying to bribe leaders of regional governments into a coalition against Iran and Palestine.

BurningFrog 11mo ago
Gaza has been constantly bombing Israel since Israel left it in 2005. Around 30,000 rockets and mortars over 20 years, killing 50 Israelis and injuring 2000. This is why Israel has imposed a "tightened border blockade". If Gaza stopped attacking, Israel would live in peace with it.
- CapricornNoble 11mo ago
  >If Gaza stopped attacking, Israel would live in peace with it. The fate of West Bank Palestinians clearly proves that to be an outright lie. https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/year-now-deadliest-palestinians-west-bank-almost-20-years https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/... Halfway through 2023 at least 156 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli action in the West Bank – more than in the whole of 2022 and the highest yearly total since the end of the second Intifada in 2004. At least 28 children are among those killed and thousands more civilians have been injured.
  - flyinglizard 11mo ago
    Practically all non-rocket terror attacks on Israelis originate in the West Bank, so I'm not sure what your point proves. Israel operates in the West Bank daily to prevent those (with considerable success). In the West Bank during 2024 alone, 27 Israelis were murdered and 308 injured. Hardly peaceful coexistence.
  - BurningFrog 11mo ago
    Arab states Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon all border Israel, and do not attack it (post the Hezbollah defeat). Israel lives in peace with them. The West Bank does attack Israel, killing 2-3 Israelis per month since October 7. So Israel fights back. This pattern is simple and logical, if you look at the facts.
    - grimblee 11mo ago
      If we go back to the origin of the conflict though, the real origins, then fact is Palestinians had a country and then the Brits and the early zionists decided it was going to be the jew's. And since then it has been a systematic, gradual, takeover of the land and the culture of the palestinians. Palestinians aren't the aggressors, they are the victims, thoses are the facts, you can try however you want, trying to says "yes but the thora says" I don't care about thousands of years ago, I do care about 70 years ago. In any cases, everyone knows this, the whole world, Israel will always be a nation of murderers that cannot be trusted.
      - flyinglizard 11mo ago
        >> then fact is Palestinians had a country Say what? There was never a Palestinian country, and not only that but the "Palestinians" as a nation didn't exist before the conflict with Israel. There were only families and tribes moving across the broader Ottoman empire.
        grimblee 11mo ago
        You can put on your glasses and go as much "achtually" as you want it doesn't change the fact these people lived there for generation and one day zionists came to take their land, with the uk backing them up. The original aggression was on the colonists part, not the local people. Imagine, you lived your while life somewhere, then one day I come, I take your land and I kill your people, then I label any retaliation as "terrorism" and "antisemitism" justifiying your massacre. I don't think you would find that normal and sit by idly, nobody on this planet would. This hypocrisy is so disgusting, I can't even put words on it.
flyinglizard 11mo ago
You're at best trying to sanewash what's going on in Gaza, while the core problem that remains is that many Muslims simply won't accept the existence of Israel. The Jews holding a part of their Umma is simply an insult to their prophet. Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian regimes are excellent ambassadors for this view. The fact we even have figures like Ben Gvir in Israeli politics is a result of reactivity in the Israeli public opinion. Any government that promised peace just brought more death and destruction, so now they're trying the other way.