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Weird how this has received no attention even though it is far worse than anything alleged in the Israel-Gaza conflict. People really are just easily influenced

Weird how this has received no attention even though it is far worse than anything alleged in the Israel-Gaza conflict. People really are just easily influenced by whatever frequently hits their ears.

_menelaus 1y ago
I'm not funding this. My politicians aren't slavishly supporting it.
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- Retric 1y ago
  And therefore it’s irrelevant? I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey.
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  - _menelaus 1y ago
    The point is that Gaza receives a lot of attention because we (the West) are involved. And its especially emotional because our politicians have been corrupted and blackmailed into complicity by people like Miriam Adelson and Jeffrey Epstein, and are taking us along for the ride, which is extremely frustrating. On the other hand, I have nothing to do with events in Sudan that I'm aware of.
    - Retric 1y ago
      Except there’s a huge number of things being covered, it’s whataboutism to suggest any one story is drowning out this conflict on its own.
moosedman 1y ago
Lots of people including lots of Americans are making a lot of money off of it. https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/gold-gulf-and-the-fall-of-el-fasher-how-the-rsf-redrew-the-sudan-war-map/ https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/gold-gulf-and-the-fall-o...
flyinglizard 1y ago
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- lm28469 1y ago
  This slogan is so obviously fabricated and inorganic...
  - flyinglizard 1y ago
    It's not, and in fact it forms the basis of Hamas' strategy. When they attacked Israel in October 7th, they didn't really think they're going to win, but they were sure that the world would put the leash on Israel after enough Palestinian blood is spilled, and they could go back to normal. They were mostly wrong, this time; but the strategy of hitting and then running for the public opinion for cover has been going on for the last 50 years.
    - mapt 1y ago
      There are a bunch of things leading up to Oct 7. Among them: Being a decade deep into a tightened border blockade that leaves little hope of a long-term future for Gaza. Netanyahu's coalition getting more and more aggressive with their rhetoric as far as forcibly annexing what remains of the West Bank, rather than merely annexing small portions every year to house more and more settlers. Repeated open provocations at the Al Aqsa Mosque holy site whenever Netanyahu was feeling politically vulnerable. The US first unilaterally tearing up a treaty to reimpose crippling sanctions, and later inviting the #2 or #3 (depending on how you count) top-ranked leader of Iran, by far the most popular person in the country, to peace talks and then assassinating him when his plane landed. The imminent threat of the Abraham Accords, Israel and the US trying to bribe leaders of regional governments into a coalition against Iran and Palestine.
      - BurningFrog 1y ago
        Gaza has been constantly bombing Israel since Israel left it in 2005. Around 30,000 rockets and mortars over 20 years, killing 50 Israelis and injuring 2000. This is why Israel has imposed a "tightened border blockade". If Gaza stopped attacking, Israel would live in peace with it.
hitarpetar 1y ago
maybe you haven't paid attention, speak for yourself
- acdha 1y ago
  This is a very confrontational way to make your point. There could be a good discussion about media diets, filter bubbles, and how domestic politics shapes coverage but we’re not going to get that from an insulting dismissal.
mapt 1y ago
Maybe one side of the Sudan conflict needs to buy off all our politicians, so that I can pay my taxes and know what fraction of a Sudanese life I just ended.
- moosedman 1y ago
  Maybe they already did...
- ASalazarMX 1y ago
  Since it's a civil war, I'd guess both sides are buying not politicians, but weapons, and paying with leonine natural resource extraction concessions, so your taxes are probably supporting American corporations no matter which side wins.
potatototoo99 1y ago
What an original comment, you must be very smart. I hope one day you can solve the mystery of this weirdness. Now back to ignoring both conflicts because if my attention is not well divided then it must not be given at all.
noir_lord 1y ago
It has received attention - the ongoing conflict in Sudan has been covered by Reuters and the BBC it hasn't received as much attention as Isreal/Gaza or the Russian Invasion of Ukraine but that's true of any two conflicts one is always going to be "bigger news" than another.
- moosedman 1y ago
  Yeah, but the massacre in el-Fasher killed more people in 7 days than 2 years in Gaza.
  - noir_lord 1y ago
    But that wasn't the point I was replying to, he said it's received no attention yet if you go to BBC news, Sudan Civil War is its own category on the Africa page. Now if he'd stated "western media covers broadly equivalent events with similar levels of casualties with a bias towards Europe/Western Countries/Western Allies" then broadly I would agree - African news does tend to take a backseat to events in those regions for likely a whole host of reasons. They covered El-Fasher as well - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr4qqgdlkjo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr4qqgdlkjo
    - spwa4 1y ago
      We all know why everyone drags every argument out to justify the scream for "justice" against Jews, yet nobody demands anything when Arab muslims kill the black members of their society ... Which is double bad since the RSF, the Arab army committing genocide belongs to the same organisation as Hamas does. They are both "descended" from the Muslim brotherhood of Egypt, and receive a LOT of support from Arab countries.
      - reducesuffering 1y ago
        Not really, the Muslim Brotherhood association is complex and if anything more aligned with the SAF. The RSF receives support from UAE which hates the Muslim Brotherhood and officially designates it a terrorist organization...
lawn 1y ago
Weird how it's so common for people to bring up Israel in this unrelated conflict. People really just want to find whatever excuse they can to downplay what Israel is doing. "This other genocide is worse" isn't the amazing insight you think it is.
MangoToupe 1y ago
It's been all over my social media. > even though it is far worse than anything alleged in the Israel-Gaza conflict. Hmm. I don't see how this contributes anything, and the two atrocities are linked.
whatever1 1y ago
There are almost half a million Americans living in Israel. In Sudan almost none. So yes, news about Israel are more engaging in the US.
phpnode 1y ago
This conflict didn’t have such a sudden start as the Ukraine or Gaza wars, it has gradually risen in intensity, becoming more newsworthy along the way
- reducesuffering 1y ago
  No, on 15 April 2023 the RSF suddenly attacked SAF bases and tried to assassinate al-Burhan, SAF leader. That's a stark escalation just like how Oct 7th. happened to Israel, where both had simmering issues.
Symmetry 1y ago
That's a good reason to have a subscription to some news organization that covers the world in general, not just to read whatever you see on social media. Certainly The Economist has had a lot of coverage on the situation in Sudan over the last year.
rich_sasha 1y ago
As opposed to Sudan, Israel proper is leading the world in HDI, GDP per capita, innovative economy, basically any statistic of progress you want. Sudan is at the bottom of these lists. It is one thing to read of atrocities commited in an extremely underdeveloped country and another to hear of even notionally smaller ones in an extremely developed one.
sjfkeifj 1y ago
I want all such atrocities to be in the public mind, but I will say the 'reason' I have been given when voicing similar concerns is that, at least for those in the United States, the Israeli genocide of Palestinians is being directly funded and armed by the United States government and the tax dollars of the people of the United States.

_menelaus 1y ago

I'm not funding this. My politicians aren't slavishly supporting it.

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Retric 1y ago
And therefore it’s irrelevant? I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey.
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- _menelaus 1y ago
  The point is that Gaza receives a lot of attention because we (the West) are involved. And its especially emotional because our politicians have been corrupted and blackmailed into complicity by people like Miriam Adelson and Jeffrey Epstein, and are taking us along for the ride, which is extremely frustrating. On the other hand, I have nothing to do with events in Sudan that I'm aware of.
  - Retric 1y ago
    Except there’s a huge number of things being covered, it’s whataboutism to suggest any one story is drowning out this conflict on its own.

moosedman 1y ago

Lots of people including lots of Americans are making a lot of money off of it. https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/gold-gulf-and-the-fall-of-el-fasher-how-the-rsf-redrew-the-sudan-war-map/ https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/gold-gulf-and-the-fall-o...

flyinglizard 1y ago

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lm28469 1y ago
This slogan is so obviously fabricated and inorganic...
- flyinglizard 1y ago
  It's not, and in fact it forms the basis of Hamas' strategy. When they attacked Israel in October 7th, they didn't really think they're going to win, but they were sure that the world would put the leash on Israel after enough Palestinian blood is spilled, and they could go back to normal. They were mostly wrong, this time; but the strategy of hitting and then running for the public opinion for cover has been going on for the last 50 years.
  - mapt 1y ago
    There are a bunch of things leading up to Oct 7. Among them: Being a decade deep into a tightened border blockade that leaves little hope of a long-term future for Gaza. Netanyahu's coalition getting more and more aggressive with their rhetoric as far as forcibly annexing what remains of the West Bank, rather than merely annexing small portions every year to house more and more settlers. Repeated open provocations at the Al Aqsa Mosque holy site whenever Netanyahu was feeling politically vulnerable. The US first unilaterally tearing up a treaty to reimpose crippling sanctions, and later inviting the #2 or #3 (depending on how you count) top-ranked leader of Iran, by far the most popular person in the country, to peace talks and then assassinating him when his plane landed. The imminent threat of the Abraham Accords, Israel and the US trying to bribe leaders of regional governments into a coalition against Iran and Palestine.
    - BurningFrog 1y ago
      Gaza has been constantly bombing Israel since Israel left it in 2005. Around 30,000 rockets and mortars over 20 years, killing 50 Israelis and injuring 2000. This is why Israel has imposed a "tightened border blockade". If Gaza stopped attacking, Israel would live in peace with it.

hitarpetar 1y ago

maybe you haven't paid attention, speak for yourself

acdha 1y ago
This is a very confrontational way to make your point. There could be a good discussion about media diets, filter bubbles, and how domestic politics shapes coverage but we’re not going to get that from an insulting dismissal.

mapt 1y ago

Maybe one side of the Sudan conflict needs to buy off all our politicians, so that I can pay my taxes and know what fraction of a Sudanese life I just ended.

moosedman 1y ago
Maybe they already did...
ASalazarMX 1y ago
Since it's a civil war, I'd guess both sides are buying not politicians, but weapons, and paying with leonine natural resource extraction concessions, so your taxes are probably supporting American corporations no matter which side wins.

potatototoo99 1y ago

What an original comment, you must be very smart. I hope one day you can solve the mystery of this weirdness. Now back to ignoring both conflicts because if my attention is not well divided then it must not be given at all.

noir_lord 1y ago

It has received attention - the ongoing conflict in Sudan has been covered by Reuters and the BBC it hasn't received as much attention as Isreal/Gaza or the Russian Invasion of Ukraine but that's true of any two conflicts one is always going to be "bigger news" than another.

moosedman 1y ago
Yeah, but the massacre in el-Fasher killed more people in 7 days than 2 years in Gaza.
- noir_lord 1y ago
  But that wasn't the point I was replying to, he said it's received no attention yet if you go to BBC news, Sudan Civil War is its own category on the Africa page. Now if he'd stated "western media covers broadly equivalent events with similar levels of casualties with a bias towards Europe/Western Countries/Western Allies" then broadly I would agree - African news does tend to take a backseat to events in those regions for likely a whole host of reasons. They covered El-Fasher as well - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr4qqgdlkjo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr4qqgdlkjo
  - spwa4 1y ago
    We all know why everyone drags every argument out to justify the scream for "justice" against Jews, yet nobody demands anything when Arab muslims kill the black members of their society ... Which is double bad since the RSF, the Arab army committing genocide belongs to the same organisation as Hamas does. They are both "descended" from the Muslim brotherhood of Egypt, and receive a LOT of support from Arab countries.
    - reducesuffering 1y ago
      Not really, the Muslim Brotherhood association is complex and if anything more aligned with the SAF. The RSF receives support from UAE which hates the Muslim Brotherhood and officially designates it a terrorist organization...

lawn 1y ago

Weird how it's so common for people to bring up Israel in this unrelated conflict. People really just want to find whatever excuse they can to downplay what Israel is doing. "This other genocide is worse" isn't the amazing insight you think it is.

MangoToupe 1y ago

It's been all over my social media. > even though it is far worse than anything alleged in the Israel-Gaza conflict. Hmm. I don't see how this contributes anything, and the two atrocities are linked.

whatever1 1y ago

There are almost half a million Americans living in Israel. In Sudan almost none. So yes, news about Israel are more engaging in the US.

phpnode 1y ago

This conflict didn’t have such a sudden start as the Ukraine or Gaza wars, it has gradually risen in intensity, becoming more newsworthy along the way

reducesuffering 1y ago
No, on 15 April 2023 the RSF suddenly attacked SAF bases and tried to assassinate al-Burhan, SAF leader. That's a stark escalation just like how Oct 7th. happened to Israel, where both had simmering issues.

Symmetry 1y ago

That's a good reason to have a subscription to some news organization that covers the world in general, not just to read whatever you see on social media. Certainly The Economist has had a lot of coverage on the situation in Sudan over the last year.

rich_sasha 1y ago

As opposed to Sudan, Israel proper is leading the world in HDI, GDP per capita, innovative economy, basically any statistic of progress you want. Sudan is at the bottom of these lists. It is one thing to read of atrocities commited in an extremely underdeveloped country and another to hear of even notionally smaller ones in an extremely developed one.

sjfkeifj 1y ago

I want all such atrocities to be in the public mind, but I will say the 'reason' I have been given when voicing similar concerns is that, at least for those in the United States, the Israeli genocide of Palestinians is being directly funded and armed by the United States government and the tax dollars of the people of the United States.