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'A mass casualty event that could exceed Hiroshima': Yale researcher on Sudan
- SilverElfin 11mo agoWeird how this has received no attention even though it is far worse than anything alleged in the Israel-Gaza conflict. People really are just easily influenced by whatever frequently hits their ears.
- _menelaus 11mo agoI'm not funding this. My politicians aren't slavishly supporting it.
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- Retric 11mo agoAnd therefore it’s irrelevant? I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey.
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- _menelaus 11mo agoThe point is that Gaza receives a lot of attention because we (the West) are involved. And its especially emotional because our politicians have been corrupted and blackmailed into complicity by people like Miriam Adelson and Jeffrey Epstein, and are taking us along for the ride, which is extremely frustrating. On the other hand, I have nothing to do with events in Sudan that I'm aware of.
- Retric 11mo agoExcept there’s a huge number of things being covered, it’s whataboutism to suggest any one story is drowning out this conflict on its own.
- moosedman 11mo agoLots of people including lots of Americans are making a lot of money off of it. https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/gold-gulf-and-the-fall-of-el-fasher-how-the-rsf-redrew-the-sudan-war-map/ https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/gold-gulf-and-the-fall-o...
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- lm28469 11mo agoThis slogan is so obviously fabricated and inorganic...
- flyinglizard 11mo agoIt's not, and in fact it forms the basis of Hamas' strategy. When they attacked Israel in October 7th, they didn't really think they're going to win, but they were sure that the world would put the leash on Israel after enough Palestinian blood is spilled, and they could go back to normal. They were mostly wrong, this time; but the strategy of hitting and then running for the public opinion for cover has been going on for the last 50 years.
- mapt 11mo agoThere are a bunch of things leading up to Oct 7. Among them: Being a decade deep into a tightened border blockade that leaves little hope of a long-term future for Gaza. Netanyahu's coalition getting more and more aggressive with their rhetoric as far as forcibly annexing what remains of the West Bank, rather than merely annexing small portions every year to house more and more settlers. Repeated open provocations at the Al Aqsa Mosque holy site whenever Netanyahu was feeling politically vulnerable. The US first unilaterally tearing up a treaty to reimpose crippling sanctions, and later inviting the #2 or #3 (depending on how you count) top-ranked leader of Iran, by far the most popular person in the country, to peace talks and then assassinating him when his plane landed. The imminent threat of the Abraham Accords, Israel and the US trying to bribe leaders of regional governments into a coalition against Iran and Palestine.
- BurningFrog 11mo agoGaza has been constantly bombing Israel since Israel left it in 2005. Around 30,000 rockets and mortars over 20 years, killing 50 Israelis and injuring 2000. This is why Israel has imposed a "tightened border blockade". If Gaza stopped attacking, Israel would live in peace with it.
- hitarpetar 11mo agomaybe you haven't paid attention, speak for yourself
- acdha 11mo agoThis is a very confrontational way to make your point. There could be a good discussion about media diets, filter bubbles, and how domestic politics shapes coverage but we’re not going to get that from an insulting dismissal.
- mapt 11mo agoMaybe one side of the Sudan conflict needs to buy off all our politicians, so that I can pay my taxes and know what fraction of a Sudanese life I just ended.
- moosedman 11mo agoMaybe they already did...
- ASalazarMX 11mo agoSince it's a civil war, I'd guess both sides are buying not politicians, but weapons, and paying with leonine natural resource extraction concessions, so your taxes are probably supporting American corporations no matter which side wins.
- potatototoo99 11mo agoWhat an original comment, you must be very smart. I hope one day you can solve the mystery of this weirdness. Now back to ignoring both conflicts because if my attention is not well divided then it must not be given at all.
- noir_lord 11mo agoIt has received attention - the ongoing conflict in Sudan has been covered by Reuters and the BBC it hasn't received as much attention as Isreal/Gaza or the Russian Invasion of Ukraine but that's true of any two conflicts one is always going to be "bigger news" than another.
- moosedman 11mo agoYeah, but the massacre in el-Fasher killed more people in 7 days than 2 years in Gaza.
- noir_lord 11mo agoBut that wasn't the point I was replying to, he said it's received no attention yet if you go to BBC news, Sudan Civil War is its own category on the Africa page. Now if he'd stated "western media covers broadly equivalent events with similar levels of casualties with a bias towards Europe/Western Countries/Western Allies" then broadly I would agree - African news does tend to take a backseat to events in those regions for likely a whole host of reasons. They covered El-Fasher as well - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr4qqgdlkjo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr4qqgdlkjo
- spwa4 11mo agoWe all know why everyone drags every argument out to justify the scream for "justice" against Jews, yet nobody demands anything when Arab muslims kill the black members of their society ... Which is double bad since the RSF, the Arab army committing genocide belongs to the same organisation as Hamas does. They are both "descended" from the Muslim brotherhood of Egypt, and receive a LOT of support from Arab countries.
- reducesuffering 11mo agoNot really, the Muslim Brotherhood association is complex and if anything more aligned with the SAF. The RSF receives support from UAE which hates the Muslim Brotherhood and officially designates it a terrorist organization...
- lawn 11mo agoWeird how it's so common for people to bring up Israel in this unrelated conflict. People really just want to find whatever excuse they can to downplay what Israel is doing. "This other genocide is worse" isn't the amazing insight you think it is.
- MangoToupe 11mo agoIt's been all over my social media. > even though it is far worse than anything alleged in the Israel-Gaza conflict. Hmm. I don't see how this contributes anything, and the two atrocities are linked.
- whatever1 11mo agoThere are almost half a million Americans living in Israel. In Sudan almost none. So yes, news about Israel are more engaging in the US.
- phpnode 11mo agoThis conflict didn’t have such a sudden start as the Ukraine or Gaza wars, it has gradually risen in intensity, becoming more newsworthy along the way
- reducesuffering 11mo agoNo, on 15 April 2023 the RSF suddenly attacked SAF bases and tried to assassinate al-Burhan, SAF leader. That's a stark escalation just like how Oct 7th. happened to Israel, where both had simmering issues.
- Symmetry 11mo agoThat's a good reason to have a subscription to some news organization that covers the world in general, not just to read whatever you see on social media. Certainly The Economist has had a lot of coverage on the situation in Sudan over the last year.
- rich_sasha 11mo agoAs opposed to Sudan, Israel proper is leading the world in HDI, GDP per capita, innovative economy, basically any statistic of progress you want. Sudan is at the bottom of these lists. It is one thing to read of atrocities commited in an extremely underdeveloped country and another to hear of even notionally smaller ones in an extremely developed one.
- sjfkeifj 11mo agoI want all such atrocities to be in the public mind, but I will say the 'reason' I have been given when voicing similar concerns is that, at least for those in the United States, the Israeli genocide of Palestinians is being directly funded and armed by the United States government and the tax dollars of the people of the United States.
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- myth_drannon 11mo agoAll eyes on Sudan! Where are the protests in front of the mosques and in universities? Those are US weapons that are used to kill!
- sjfkeifj 11mo ago> Those are US weapons that are used to kill! I think it's important to raise awareness, and do whatever we can to oppose this sort of activity, but what is your source for this claim specifically? I have been unable to find any substantiating information that US is supplying weapons, or aide of any kind, to the Rapid Support Forces of Sudan.
- viridian 11mo agoThe main rifles I've seen depicted in this conflict are AK pattern rifles, with the rare ancient armalite pattern rifle scattered among them, and a singular SCAR. Based on where most modern AK manufacturing has moved to (China, like manufacturing writ large), you should instead be asking the Chinese populous to protest. That said, I wouldn't hold my breath on China forming a mass protest culture any time soon, Tiananmen Square is in most people's living memory.
- fractallyte 11mo agoWhy the hell is this flagged? It's the 21st century. Schools, media, politicians, commentators remind us about multiple world wars, millions of "sacrifices" for "freedom". We have technology that was unimaginable to our parents and grandparents. So what is going on in the world? Who is putting the brakes on human progress? The UN is an empty shell. Prominent countries which historically created the conditions for endless conflict - let's call them out: the US, Russia, UK, France, China (coincidentally, the five permanent members of the UN Security Council) - are sitting back, diplomatically allowing atrocities and injustices to unfold. Why is this being allowed to happen? This isn't even a time to point fingers, assign blame. We need to hold ourselves to the highest ideals. We already have tens, hundreds, thousands, of talented individuals - graduates from the top universities of the world, who know how to make the world a better place. They understand history, morality, and ethics to an excruciating degree. Where are they? Why are they not in top decision-making positions in governments? Why are our political structures still struggling with basic competencies? A House of Dynamite was a perfect movie to follow on from Oppenheimer. Scientists created a superweapon; politicians ran with it, and blackmailed the world. It's pathetic and deplorable. WE NEED TO DO BETTER.
- spwa4 11mo ago> The UN is an empty shell Because sovereign states demanded that it would be an empty shell, and this was accepted because otherwise there would be nothing. For example, the ICC. Nobody can be convicted by the ICC unless their country allows it. And even that is going too far for essentially all countries, even founding member states like South Africa (who explicitly went against UN treaties they signed to protect Al-Bashir and Putin)