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The Wikipedia article has actual information instead of the storytelling that the BBC article is insisting on > Udolph favours the hypothesis that the Hamelin
by tetris11 1y ago
The Wikipedia article has actual information instead of the storytelling that the BBC article is insisting on
> Udolph favours the hypothesis that the Hamelin youths wound up in what is now Poland.[40] Genealogist Dick Eastman cited Udolph's research on Hamelin surnames that have shown up in Polish phonebooks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pied_Piper_of_Hamelin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pied_Piper_of_Hamelin
Also, every town in Southern Germany looks like that. Hamelin is nothing special in that respect
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- flobosg 1y agoHamelin is located in Lower Saxony, not in the southern states.
- beeforpork 1y agoAnd there, many cities look like that, too. It's all about the angle. I am sure that just outside of the camera frame, there's a mobile phone shop, a Burger King or MacDonald's, and other trivially universal city commerce. :-) Let's see... https://maps.app.goo.gl/hbRSXaDvfKNFmQtT6 https://maps.app.goo.gl/hbRSXaDvfKNFmQtT6 No, but there's Rossmann, Kik, Döner, and Woolworth's.
- flobosg 1y agoThe point I was addressing from the parent comment was the implication that Hamelin is located in southern Germany. It could be rewritten to, as you pointed out: > Also, every town in Germany looks like that.
- beeforpork 1y agoYes, I know. I was trying to stress exactly that.
- b2ccb2 1y ago"Hameln" is in northern Germany, don't know where the I comes from in the English transliteration. There are many theories, one of them is the Children's Crusade[0], diseases, pagan sects, but yes, the leading one is the "Ostsiedlung". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Crusade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Crusade [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostsiedlung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostsiedlung
- flobosg 1y agoFunnily enough, the district (Landkreis) name in English keeps the original spelling: Hameln-Pyrmont.
- mananaysiempre 1y ago> don't know where the i [in Hamelin] comes from in the English transliteration Could just be that it’s a very inconvenient consonant cluster (and and a speaker of modern English will to some degree turn it into a [lən] or [lɪn], however you spell it).
- throwaway173738 1y agoI’m an English speaker and when I saw it written “Hameln” I thought it was a typo.
- emmelaich 1y agoIt comes from the same place as the i in Munich.
- b2ccb2 1y agoOh, and my favorite theory: "Eine andere, weniger stark vertretene Theorie besagt, dass die Hamelner Kinder einem heidnischen Sektenführer aufgesessen sein könnten, der diese zu einem religiösen Ritus in die Wälder bei Coppenbrügge geführt hat, wo sie heidnische Tänze aufführten. Dabei habe es einen Bergrutsch oder Erdfall gegeben, wodurch die meisten umgekommen seien. Noch heute lässt sich dort eine große Kuhle finden, die durch ein solches Ereignis entstanden sein könnte." > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattenf%C3%A4nger_von_Hameln#Historischer_Hintergrund https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattenf%C3%A4nger_von_Hameln#H... I'll roughly translate it: "Another, less thought after theory says, the children of Hameln got seduced by a pagan cult leader. He lead the children to the forest of Coppenbrügge for a religious ritual, where they performed pagan dances. This caused an landslide, causing most of them to die. There is, to this day, still a large pit, that could have been caused by such an event." Edit: Expanded translation
- mellosouls 1y agoThe Wikipedia article has actual information instead of the storytelling that the BBC article is insisting on Strange thing to note (and wrong), given they have completely different purposes and the BBC article conveys "actual information" as well just in a less clinical way.
- Razengan 1y agoWeird, I was reading the Wikipedia article about that a few days ago and thought of posting that here! That whatsit phenomenon strikes again! I wonder if there was or will be a typical modern twisty-take movie about this
- dcminter 1y agoBaader-Meinhof.
- b2ccb2 1y agoHah, macabre and word play. I see you my German brethren. He is referring to the Baader-Meinhof-Komplex book, that pretty much documents the RAF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction
- IAmBroom 1y agoUm, no, he isn't. He is referring to the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion
- b2ccb2 1y agoTIL that the term Baader-Meinhof phenomenon is based upon this nugget: > The name "Baader–Meinhof phenomenon" was coined in 1994 by Terry Mullen in a letter to the St. Paul Pioneer Press.[1] The letter describes how, after mentioning the name of the German militant group Baader–Meinhof once, he kept noticing it. Thanks!
- IAmBroom 1y agoQuote from the article that you claim doesn't mention it: > In fact, Udolph found that the family names common in Hamelin at the time show up with surprising frequency in the areas of Uckermark and Prignitz, near Berlin, that he locates as the centre of the migration. Maybe try reading the whole article before condemning it, instead of just the first couple of paragraphs.
- nartho 1y agoIs Berlin in Poland ?
- fsckboy 1y agowikipedia does not come out and say "this happened" or "the folktale was (or "must be") based on a historical event". it seems to suggest that the folktale is all the history we have, and everything else is a retcon