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They were forced to disband, lay down their arms and merge into pre-existing IDF, specifically because the methods are not acceptable, some of them declined and
by neoromantique 1y ago
They were forced to disband, lay down their arms and merge into pre-existing IDF, specifically because the methods are not acceptable, some of them declined and had to be disbanded by force.
- _menelaus 1y agoDid you know that Menachim Begin, the first prime minister of Israel, was the leader of Irgun? 'As head of the Irgun, he targeted the British in Palestine,[3] with a notable attack being the King David Hotel bombing. Later, the Irgun fought the Arabs during the 1947–48 civil war in Mandatory Palestine and, as its chief, Begin was described by the British government as the "leader of the notorious terrorist organisation".'
- neoromantique 1y agoHe also later was a Nobel Peace Prize laureate. The targeting the British happened primarily during the holocaust when British were limiting Jewish migration (which has directly resulted in many many deaths). The history is complex and it is very easy to find reasons to dismiss people who lived through very difficult times and had to make very difficult choices.
- TheGuyWhoCodes 1y agoThe first prime minister of Israel was David Ben-Gurion. Targeting the British during the Mandate was an act of anti-colonization, not unlike other factions that wanted independence from the British at that time, and the Irgun did warn the British before hand but they did not evacuate the hotel which was the central offices of the British Mandate and the Headquarters of the British Army
- _menelaus 1y agoYeah good catch on the first Prime Minister bit. But let's hear you try to whitewash the Deir Yassin massacre. Irgun were wicked.
- TheGuyWhoCodes 1y agoIrgun had nothing to do with Deir Yassin, it was the Etzel and Lehi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8bkqqvoGpc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8bkqqvoGpc
- richardfeynman 1y agohaha I love this thread.
- negativelambda 1y agoIrgun and Etzel are different names for the same organization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun "Hannah Arendt and Albert Einstein, in a letter to The New York Times in 1948, compared Irgun and its successor Herut party to "Nazi and Fascist parties" and described it as a "terrorist, right wing, chauvinist organization" "
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- neoromantique 1y agoThere is nothing to whitewash about wars and war crimes, they happen in every war, and are inexcusable in every war, no matter the side. For every war crime from Jewish side you can always point to a similar one from Arab side, this finger pointing is not useful for anything but spurring more hate and igniting the conflict over and over.
- _menelaus 1y agoI disagree completely. Its important to condemn terrorism and genocide on both sides. I have no tolerance for that. Its absurd to try to convince me to ignore this, or to try and excuse the IDF because the other side is bad too. Hamas is bad. Nazis are bad. The IDF is bad. The Israeli state is bad. Israeli society is rotten. These are all true and useful statements. I don't understand why you would spend your time on the internet trying to argue against this.