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That may be so, but how far do you think viral radical left wing populism is going to get you towards regaining people who voted for trump?

defrost 11mo ago
It's already established that they swing for viral radical populism ... so, perhaps less of a challenge than you imply.
dluan 11mo ago
well Prop 50 to redraw California's district lines passed by a nearly 30% margin and counting right now. That's an absolute spanking leading up to 26 midterms. The story tonight isn't about Trump at all though, it's about millennial DSA types beating the establishment Democratic institution - in NYC, Detroit, Mississippi. In 24 everyone was astonished at the lack of response - "what is DNC going to do about losing to Trump, twice?". This is the beginning of what will be the eventual answer. Also it doesn't need to be said, but the mobilization of 1M+ votes for Zohran's campaign today renders the fringes meaningless. He's now automatically in the conversation for the Presidential primary for 2028.
- ecshafer 11mo ago
  Zohran is literally never eligible to be President without a constitutional amendment.
  - r00fus 11mo ago
    Zohran will be the kingmaker is what I infer @dluan is trying to say.
- dluan 11mo ago
  Err sorry not President, unfortunately.
- mpalmer 11mo ago
  > He's now automatically in the conversation for the Presidential primary for 2028. I'm really happy he won, but this will not happen
- majewsky 11mo ago
  > He's now automatically in the conversation for the Presidential primary for 2028. He was born in Uganda, so that ain't happening.
- jasondigitized 11mo ago
  Doesn't matter because it doesn't need to be him. It can be any of the younger American white dudes that are emerging who can co-opt the same message.
dyauspitr 11mo ago
Pretty much a clean sweep for the dems today including a trashing on prop 50. In general I think only something on the fringes can draw away people attracted to the fringes.
pjc50 11mo ago
You don't need to get them back, you just need to motivate the more normal voters and demoralize the weird ones. There seem to be people who voted for Trump as an anti establishment candidate. Now, they're obviously completely unmoored from reality, but perhaps they'd like another anti establishment candidate?
thrance 11mo ago
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- krapp 11mo ago
  The Democrats lost the last election because they put too much effort into catering to the right and completely lost their own base. The only thing Kamala Harris had to do was take a stance against genocide - which should be a no-brainer, instead she only doubled down and started talking about guns and bringing neocons into the fold. Now she's getting dragged on Twitter for her effusive eulogizing of Dick Cheney. Does anyone think that if Zohran or Kamala died tomorrow, that anyone on the right, even up to the White House, would return the same courtesy? And out of the current crop of Democratic candidates as far as I can tell all but AOC take AIPAC money, and the left has soured on her, so we might as well cede 2028 right now.
  - BonitaPersona 11mo ago
    >Does anyone think that if Zohran or Kamala died tomorrow, that anyone on the right, even up to the White House, would return the same courtesy? Yes they would, as they have been doing so far. You should widen your sources of information.
    - solid_fuel 11mo ago
      > Yes they would, as they have been doing so far. Yeah? Where have they been doing that so far? You're seriously claiming that Trump, or his administration, would act with class and offer condolences if an opponent were killed or died? He couldn't even be bothered to say anything about the Hortmans being murdered by a MAGA lunatic [0]. He and his shitty son both publicly mocked Paul Pelosi multiple times after another MAGA nutjob attacked him with a hammer. [1][2] > You should widen your sources of information. You should reevaluate yours, you are in a cult. [0] https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/trump-condolences-melissa-hortman-0e58cc https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/trump-condolences-... [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-shares-video-mocking-hammer-attack-on-pelosi-s-husband/ar-AA1M7OqV https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-shares-video-m... [2] https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-jr-mocks-nancy-pelosis-husbands-hammer-attack-with-meme/ https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-jr-mocks-nancy-pe...

defrost 11mo ago

It's already established that they swing for viral radical populism ... so, perhaps less of a challenge than you imply.

dluan 11mo ago

well Prop 50 to redraw California's district lines passed by a nearly 30% margin and counting right now. That's an absolute spanking leading up to 26 midterms. The story tonight isn't about Trump at all though, it's about millennial DSA types beating the establishment Democratic institution - in NYC, Detroit, Mississippi. In 24 everyone was astonished at the lack of response - "what is DNC going to do about losing to Trump, twice?". This is the beginning of what will be the eventual answer. Also it doesn't need to be said, but the mobilization of 1M+ votes for Zohran's campaign today renders the fringes meaningless. He's now automatically in the conversation for the Presidential primary for 2028.

ecshafer 11mo ago
Zohran is literally never eligible to be President without a constitutional amendment.
- r00fus 11mo ago
  Zohran will be the kingmaker is what I infer @dluan is trying to say.
dluan 11mo ago
Err sorry not President, unfortunately.
mpalmer 11mo ago
> He's now automatically in the conversation for the Presidential primary for 2028. I'm really happy he won, but this will not happen
majewsky 11mo ago
> He's now automatically in the conversation for the Presidential primary for 2028. He was born in Uganda, so that ain't happening.
jasondigitized 11mo ago
Doesn't matter because it doesn't need to be him. It can be any of the younger American white dudes that are emerging who can co-opt the same message.

dyauspitr 11mo ago

Pretty much a clean sweep for the dems today including a trashing on prop 50. In general I think only something on the fringes can draw away people attracted to the fringes.

pjc50 11mo ago

You don't need to get them back, you just need to motivate the more normal voters and demoralize the weird ones. There seem to be people who voted for Trump as an anti establishment candidate. Now, they're obviously completely unmoored from reality, but perhaps they'd like another anti establishment candidate?

thrance 11mo ago

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krapp 11mo ago
The Democrats lost the last election because they put too much effort into catering to the right and completely lost their own base. The only thing Kamala Harris had to do was take a stance against genocide - which should be a no-brainer, instead she only doubled down and started talking about guns and bringing neocons into the fold. Now she's getting dragged on Twitter for her effusive eulogizing of Dick Cheney. Does anyone think that if Zohran or Kamala died tomorrow, that anyone on the right, even up to the White House, would return the same courtesy? And out of the current crop of Democratic candidates as far as I can tell all but AOC take AIPAC money, and the left has soured on her, so we might as well cede 2028 right now.
- BonitaPersona 11mo ago
  >Does anyone think that if Zohran or Kamala died tomorrow, that anyone on the right, even up to the White House, would return the same courtesy? Yes they would, as they have been doing so far. You should widen your sources of information.
  - solid_fuel 11mo ago
    > Yes they would, as they have been doing so far. Yeah? Where have they been doing that so far? You're seriously claiming that Trump, or his administration, would act with class and offer condolences if an opponent were killed or died? He couldn't even be bothered to say anything about the Hortmans being murdered by a MAGA lunatic [0]. He and his shitty son both publicly mocked Paul Pelosi multiple times after another MAGA nutjob attacked him with a hammer. [1][2] > You should widen your sources of information. You should reevaluate yours, you are in a cult. [0] https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/trump-condolences-melissa-hortman-0e58cc https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/trump-condolences-... [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-shares-video-mocking-hammer-attack-on-pelosi-s-husband/ar-AA1M7OqV https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-shares-video-m... [2] https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-jr-mocks-nancy-pelosis-husbands-hammer-attack-with-meme/ https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-jr-mocks-nancy-pe...