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I'll throw in extending parental coverage to 26. I have a sibling with type 1 diabetes and it's impossible for me to describe the positive impact those two pro

by slg 1y ago

I'll throw in extending parental coverage to 26. I have a sibling with type 1 diabetes and it's impossible for me to describe the positive impact those two provisions have had on their life. Just because a piece of a legislation includes painful compromises doesn't mean we should ignore its huge wins.

noir_lord 1y ago
That has in part become the issue in modern politics, any compromise no matter how minor is seen as a loss. Neither sides most ardent supporters was willing to accept anything that looked like a compromise and so you end up with things as they are now, with someone where compromise shouldn’t happen because there is no practical compromise. US politics has collapsed down to the scorpion and the frog.
- thunky 1y ago
  > That has in part become the issue in modern politics, any compromise no matter how minor is seen as a loss. Because to those who are now getting hit with huge insurance bills as a direct effect of that compromise, and may have to go without insurance at all, it is a loss. And nothing has been done to address the underlying reasons and bad incentives that have led to this outcome. Which is also a failure.
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    >Because to those who are now getting hit with huge insurance bills as a direct effect of that compromise, and may have to go without insurance at all, it is a loss. Because the Republicans slashed the premium tax credits to pay for tax cuts for rich people.
    - mothballed 1y ago
      The fact Republicans wouldn't repeal ACA but would repeal the tax credits just shows both sides prefer it to be broken. Democrats could shove through enough votes to repeal ACA to make health insurance cheaper for lower-risk groups without tax credits; Republicans could re-instate tax credits. Instead we are stuck in this bastardized half-socialized model that gets the worst of all worlds. Politics in the USA has basically gridlocked to it being much cheaper to shit on the other guy than to fix things. In two party system you can actually win by only making the other guy look worse, which only requires breaking things in a way that can be pointed at the other guy, somehow we are stuck in this local minima.
      - abustamam 1y ago
        And now the US is having the longest govt shutdown ever, millions of people losing their food stamps, millions of people potentially seeing their Healthcare costs skyrocket, and neither side seems willing to compromise, with the GOP blaming the democrats for the shutdown, which really is not productive.
      - lotsofpulp 1y ago
        This is nonsense. You have Democrats working to get more healthcare to more people, via increased taxation, and you are blaming them for Republicans holding them back.
        thunky 1y ago
        It's both of their faults. Blaming one party or the other is what got us into this this hole and what keeps making it deeper. The ACA was passed in 2014. Congress (both Republicans and Democrats) have had since then to get off their butts and do something to fix the serious flaws it came with. Flaws that made insurance too unaffordable for millions of people so they had to risk it and go uninsured.
        LordDragonfang 1y ago
        Years Pres Senate House SC 2013-2015 D D(+8) R(+33) R(+1) 2015-2017 D R(+10) R(+59) -(+0) 2017-2019 R R(+4) R(+47) R(+1) 2019-2021 R R(+8) D(+35) R(+1) 2021-2023 D D(+0.5) D(+9) R(+3) 2023-2025 D D(+2) R(+9) R(+3) 2025-2027 R R(+8) R(+4) R(+3) When exactly were the democrats supposed to "fix" the ACA without compromising? Dems haven't had solid control of all three legislative bodies since it passed, and Republicans have vocally made it their priority to oppose the ACA in any way possible, and are unwilling to give an inch. Even the hair thin margin post-2020 was unusable for this due to the handful of DINOs that all needed to vote in lockstep. Meanwhile, R's had unilateral control of the government for four straight years, and they voted to make everyone's lives worse, as you're complaining about. They said over and over they were going to repeal it, like you suggest, and then turned around and made it obvious that was a blatant lie. Because despite its flaws, even the gutted ACA is still wildly popular and a vast improvement over the previous status quo. (It turns out keeping workers healthy is critical for the economy) This is not a symmetric problem. It really is one party making it worse.
  - vkou 1y ago
    The original plan was for single-payer, but the Blue Dog democrats fucked it up, because they didn't want to lose their seats, so they pushed for a compromise solution. They then all lost their seats to tea-party and proto-maga types who were screeching about FEMA internment camps and death panels killing grandma.

by slg 1y ago

noir_lord 1y ago

That has in part become the issue in modern politics, any compromise no matter how minor is seen as a loss. Neither sides most ardent supporters was willing to accept anything that looked like a compromise and so you end up with things as they are now, with someone where compromise shouldn’t happen because there is no practical compromise. US politics has collapsed down to the scorpion and the frog.

thunky 1y ago
> That has in part become the issue in modern politics, any compromise no matter how minor is seen as a loss. Because to those who are now getting hit with huge insurance bills as a direct effect of that compromise, and may have to go without insurance at all, it is a loss. And nothing has been done to address the underlying reasons and bad incentives that have led to this outcome. Which is also a failure.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  >Because to those who are now getting hit with huge insurance bills as a direct effect of that compromise, and may have to go without insurance at all, it is a loss. Because the Republicans slashed the premium tax credits to pay for tax cuts for rich people.
  - mothballed 1y ago
    The fact Republicans wouldn't repeal ACA but would repeal the tax credits just shows both sides prefer it to be broken. Democrats could shove through enough votes to repeal ACA to make health insurance cheaper for lower-risk groups without tax credits; Republicans could re-instate tax credits. Instead we are stuck in this bastardized half-socialized model that gets the worst of all worlds. Politics in the USA has basically gridlocked to it being much cheaper to shit on the other guy than to fix things. In two party system you can actually win by only making the other guy look worse, which only requires breaking things in a way that can be pointed at the other guy, somehow we are stuck in this local minima.
    - abustamam 1y ago
      And now the US is having the longest govt shutdown ever, millions of people losing their food stamps, millions of people potentially seeing their Healthcare costs skyrocket, and neither side seems willing to compromise, with the GOP blaming the democrats for the shutdown, which really is not productive.
    - lotsofpulp 1y ago
      This is nonsense. You have Democrats working to get more healthcare to more people, via increased taxation, and you are blaming them for Republicans holding them back.
      - thunky 1y ago
        It's both of their faults. Blaming one party or the other is what got us into this this hole and what keeps making it deeper. The ACA was passed in 2014. Congress (both Republicans and Democrats) have had since then to get off their butts and do something to fix the serious flaws it came with. Flaws that made insurance too unaffordable for millions of people so they had to risk it and go uninsured.
        LordDragonfang 1y ago
        Years Pres Senate House SC 2013-2015 D D(+8) R(+33) R(+1) 2015-2017 D R(+10) R(+59) -(+0) 2017-2019 R R(+4) R(+47) R(+1) 2019-2021 R R(+8) D(+35) R(+1) 2021-2023 D D(+0.5) D(+9) R(+3) 2023-2025 D D(+2) R(+9) R(+3) 2025-2027 R R(+8) R(+4) R(+3) When exactly were the democrats supposed to "fix" the ACA without compromising? Dems haven't had solid control of all three legislative bodies since it passed, and Republicans have vocally made it their priority to oppose the ACA in any way possible, and are unwilling to give an inch. Even the hair thin margin post-2020 was unusable for this due to the handful of DINOs that all needed to vote in lockstep. Meanwhile, R's had unilateral control of the government for four straight years, and they voted to make everyone's lives worse, as you're complaining about. They said over and over they were going to repeal it, like you suggest, and then turned around and made it obvious that was a blatant lie. Because despite its flaws, even the gutted ACA is still wildly popular and a vast improvement over the previous status quo. (It turns out keeping workers healthy is critical for the economy) This is not a symmetric problem. It really is one party making it worse.
- vkou 1y ago
  The original plan was for single-payer, but the Blue Dog democrats fucked it up, because they didn't want to lose their seats, so they pushed for a compromise solution. They then all lost their seats to tea-party and proto-maga types who were screeching about FEMA internment camps and death panels killing grandma.