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Yeah... Laws exist only if they are applied equally, else they become something else. And a monetary fine is just the cost of doing business if you are big eno
by tommica 1y ago
Yeah... Laws exist only if they are applied equally, else they become something else.
And a monetary fine is just the cost of doing business if you are big enough.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 1y ago>Yeah... Laws exist only if they are applied equally, else they become something else. This is bullshit and you know it. No one would ever want to go to the trouble, expense, and misery of enforcing laws where the so-called victims do not feel wronged and refuse to press complaints to the authorities. And so, copyright enforcement will only ever occur where the rightsholders wish to enforce it. The few lawsuits you see here and there aren't about genuine sentiment of being wrong, but of the rightsholders wanting their cuts. Backroom deals are already being drawn up, and everyone's cool with it. This is the status quo. If you don't like it, suggest something better, but don't be naive that the law as it stands now could be applied sanely or pragmatically.
- LtWorf 1y agoWhat chances do I have of winning a lawsuit against copilot for violating my copyright? See? Laws are not applied equally.
- terminalshort 1y ago[flagged]
- brazukadev 1y agoYeah they bought the law, more effective than breaking it and they even get some minions to defend them online
- terminalshort 1y ago[flagged]
- 1gn15 1y agoNone, because they're not violating your copyright.
- LtWorf 1y agoI love how you decided before hearing my case. Thanks for proving my point exactly!
- troupo 1y agoYouTube routinely demonetizes and suspends people for"copyright violations" with no recourse. Including people for using their own material. SciHub is banned and blocked in several countries, there are default rulings against it in the US etc. Oh, and White House called it "one of the most flagrant notorious market sites in the world". But when you're an AI company with billions of dollars? Well, your doing it for the good of humanity or something, and of course everything you do is fair use etc.
- mihaic 1y agoSorry, but what you just said is bullshit, and I'm not even sure you know it. Plenty of copyright holders don't want their creations to be trained on LLMs, regardless of cut. There is no voice for them. The general statement of laws being applied differently by size is also more and more obvious in the recent climate.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 1y agoThe big copyright cartels are the only copyright holders out there. The people you refer to think they hold copyright on some work or another, but unless another plebe infringes on them, they'll never get a remedy for that. You think I'm wrong, but if you wrote a song (for instance) and some jackass restaurant was playing it as muzak, ASCAP takes the license money for that. They don't send you a cut. I'd say you have second class rights, but you don't even really have those.
- terminalshort 1y ago[flagged]
- flumpcakes 1y agoThen the AI training companies shouldn't have stolen (pirated) the material they want to train on. Pretty simple really.
- terminalshort 1y agoThat has nothing to do with AI. It's just the same as if anyone else had pirated it. Pretty simple really.
- flumpcakes 1y agoShow me the Facebook employees going to jail for pirating millions of books. Can I pirate anything I want risk free if I say it was for training AI?
- saghm 1y agoSo if someone goes and pirates something on their own time on a whim, it's a criminal issue, but if 100 people correctively pirate a few orders of magnitude more stuff because their boss's boss's boss's boss told everyone to, it's just a licensing issue? Here's my suggestion: either throw out all the convictions that have ever occurred for software piracy and allow them to sue for reparations, or charge the people that are making those backroom deals for extortion and obstruction of justice. Either it should be a crime for everyone or no one; being rich enough to bribe your way out of it isn't just, and it's preposterous to claim otherwise.