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And all we have to do to have them roll over on our command is to threaten the halt of the billions of weapons and aid we send annually. My main issue is that I

And all we have to do to have them roll over on our command is to threaten the halt of the billions of weapons and aid we send annually. My main issue is that Israel/US relations feel like the tail is wagging the dog. Israel exists because of the West. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to recognize that we have immense leverage over them due to them being surrounded by enemies and dependent on US weapons systems like the Iron Dome... we can basically force them to do whatever it is we want. I blame the US and the bought politicians for the tragedy in Gaza as much as I do the Israeli's. I have the feeling Israel simply will go the way of Rhodesia within a few generations due to the actions of this war resulting in widespread de-legitimization on both sides of the political spectrum and especially generationally. No one in the US actually wants to spend tax money on a patch of land in the Middle East the size of New Jersey, especially if they don't behave.

tguvot 11mo ago
US military aid is around 1% of budget. The consensus in Israel is to stop accepting this aid from USA. Iron Dome is Israeli weapon system. Out of all weapons that Israel gets from USA the only things that Israel doesn't produce domestically are planes (Usa killed Israeli fighter jet project 40 years ago) and helicopters. All other weapon systems are domestically produced. Israel is eighth largest arms exporter in world
- stanfordkid 11mo ago
  I'm not so sure that is entirely accurate. Most of Israel's military superiority is based completely on air supremacy -- Dahiya doctrine. Even w/ F-35's this requires tons of US produced munitions (smart bombs etc). The Iron Dome system was jointly designed by US/Israel and most of the actual consumables are supplied by Raytheon. I think it is accurate to say that if the US wanted to cripple Israel they pretty much could do so on a whim, using nothing more than sanctions. That also applies to any other non-superpower country of course. What I mean to say, we could sanction them like Russia etc. and it would probably have a much larger impact if we really wanted them to do what we want.
  - tguvot 11mo ago
    Dahiya doctrine is wikipedia fantasy. There is no actual facts that prove that Israel has one. Smart bombs - Israel produces their own (for example used to take out nasrallah. iirc "spice"). In Iran (and stupidly in Qatar) were used Israeli air launched ballistic missiles (there are a bunch of models. classified. nobody knows what they are exactly. some code names were leaked last year via classified USA report that was leaked). F35 that Israel using has Israeli electronics package. Iron Dome was designed by Rafael and IAI (check wikipedia). I held mainboard in my hands like 15 years ago. Raytheon manufactures it, because this way Israel can make use of aid money (can be only spend in USA)

tguvot 11mo ago

US military aid is around 1% of budget. The consensus in Israel is to stop accepting this aid from USA. Iron Dome is Israeli weapon system. Out of all weapons that Israel gets from USA the only things that Israel doesn't produce domestically are planes (Usa killed Israeli fighter jet project 40 years ago) and helicopters. All other weapon systems are domestically produced. Israel is eighth largest arms exporter in world

stanfordkid 11mo ago
I'm not so sure that is entirely accurate. Most of Israel's military superiority is based completely on air supremacy -- Dahiya doctrine. Even w/ F-35's this requires tons of US produced munitions (smart bombs etc). The Iron Dome system was jointly designed by US/Israel and most of the actual consumables are supplied by Raytheon. I think it is accurate to say that if the US wanted to cripple Israel they pretty much could do so on a whim, using nothing more than sanctions. That also applies to any other non-superpower country of course. What I mean to say, we could sanction them like Russia etc. and it would probably have a much larger impact if we really wanted them to do what we want.
- tguvot 11mo ago
  Dahiya doctrine is wikipedia fantasy. There is no actual facts that prove that Israel has one. Smart bombs - Israel produces their own (for example used to take out nasrallah. iirc "spice"). In Iran (and stupidly in Qatar) were used Israeli air launched ballistic missiles (there are a bunch of models. classified. nobody knows what they are exactly. some code names were leaked last year via classified USA report that was leaked). F35 that Israel using has Israeli electronics package. Iron Dome was designed by Rafael and IAI (check wikipedia). I held mainboard in my hands like 15 years ago. Raytheon manufactures it, because this way Israel can make use of aid money (can be only spend in USA)