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The opinion piece you link to is false in two respects: first, Israel has never had a starvation policy in Gaza, and second, the courts never defended the polic

The opinion piece you link to is false in two respects: first, Israel has never had a starvation policy in Gaza, and second, the courts never defended the policy because it never existed.

xg15 11mo ago
Yeah yeah, and the 6000 trucks on the Egyptian side of the Rafah crossing were just standing there for fun. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c0k77xm651jt https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c0k77xm651jt https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-14/ty-article-magazine/no-hunger-in-gaza-say-netanyahu-the-israeli-army-and-media-as-starvation-worsens/00000198-a8a1-d539-a5b8-fdf186180000?gift=994c56f8fbf345ea8f47f0fc17be169f https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-14/ty-article-ma... https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-12/ty-article-magazine/.premium/dates-are-luxury-and-other-ways-israel-hinders-aid-trucks-from-reaching-starving-gazans/00000198-9e25-d1fc-a3d8-feadb97a0000?gift=ae9fc3e41b414124a309e047d3fe6fb1 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-12/ty-article-ma... Even now, during the ceasefire, Israel only allows goods in through Kerem Shalom and Kissufim and keeps the other crossings shut, even though aid organizations urgently demand that they must be opened. Explain to me why.
- richardfeynman 11mo ago
  I see you're linking to some debunked articles about the gaza starvation hoax. Do you seriously think Israel had a policy of starvation? Obesity is common in gaza; there are restaurants everywhere; there aren't any pictures of starving families; all the pictures of starving kids have turned out to be of kids with serious pre-existing conditions; there have been only about 200 malnutrition related deaths in two years of war in gaza, orders of magnitude less than here in the US. And no belligerent in the history of war has ever allowed in more aid to the opposing side than Israel.
  - cholantesh 11mo ago
    And now we're onto gish galloping - word of advice that this tactic works best while speaking; when typing, lobbying a multitude of bullshit claims at a rapid pace doesn't have quite the same effect. >Obesity is common in gaza This maybe works as a claim if humans exist in non-linear time where 2020 and 2025 are perceived simultaneously. In fact, though, it's not a claim that any current data evinces. >there are restaurants everywhere And as we all know, a restaurant under rubble without sufficient access to ingredients or consistent utility supply is still operating at full capacity and its patrons don't need to have funds, able bodies, or the absence of the threat of random artillery strikes to avail themselves to their services. >there aren't any pictures of starving families; all the pictures of starving kids have turned out to be of kids with serious pre-existing conditions Adults have more developed organs and digestive systems than children and those pre-existing conditions are ones that would either have been managed with sufficient access to food or had resulted from prenatal nutritional deficiencies caused by insufficient access to food. Your previous point was solipsistic, this kind of immaterial distinction, though, is just cynical. >there have been only about 200 malnutrition related deaths in two years of war in gaza Outside of a comment on Threads, I can't find any source for this. I wonder how many qualifiers you'll add to the ynetnews editorial you'll quote in support of this one. >no belligerent in the history of war has ever allowed in more aid to the opposing side than Israel. Per Israel and its material partners, yeah. Not so much per every internationally recognized human rights watchdog, aid organizations that aren't staffed by mercenaries and funded by the IDF and the US, or genocide scholars and other academics in related fields. It's unclear whether simple credulity or ideological priors are at play in accepting such a premise.
    - richardfeynman 11mo ago
      All the claims are true. > Obesity is common There are countless videos of obese people in Gaza today. > Restaurats everywhere. Google it! Not restaurants under rubble, but restaurants serving faties today. Here's a short list of open restaurants: - Manaqish restaurant - Ghazetna restaurant - Hotdog restaurant - Zaitouna cam restaurant - Chef Hamada - O2 restaurant > No pictures of starving families. Yes, of course adult bodies are more resilient, but in real famines (unlike the one in Gaza) adults die too. And the kids that look starving had preexisting conditions. >there have been only about 200 malnutrition related deaths in two years of war in gaza A googleable claim. >no belligerent in the history of war has ever allowed in more aid to the opposing side than Israel. It's a factual matter, nobody debates it. You can't find a country that sent more aid to a belligerent on a per capita basis.
  - xg15 11mo ago
    I've heard those exact lines from several pro-Israeli commenters. How would you even expect this to work? There was a two-year nonstop bombing campaign and an official "total blockade" for several months. How could there possibly be "restaurants everywhere" after that? Also, Haaretz is an Israeli newspaper itself. Is the conspiracy running so deep?
    - richardfeynman 11mo ago
      "How could there possibly be "restaurants everywhere" after that?" There are plenty of restaurants in Gaza, as a quick Google search will reveal, so this is a question for you to ask yourself. Perhaps your premise is wrong.
      - xg15 11mo ago
        You're right, there actually are lots on Google Maps. Except some of them would be beyond the Yellow Line, in the area where the IDF troops are and which is strictly off-limits for civilians. And none of them have any reviews that are newer than from two years ago. (Compare with the markers on the Israeli side where the latest reviews are often just weeks or days old)
        richardfeynman 11mo ago
        There are active restaurants in Hamas-controlled areas. There are hundreds of videos (and recent google reviews) proving this. Here's one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFjhyAsHYFo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFjhyAsHYFo
        xg15 11mo ago
        Come on dude, none of this makes any sense. Netanyahu in march officially ordered the IDF to block all aid [1] (though he later pretended he didn't [2]). That blockade was kept up for three months, until international pressure got too strong because even international staff reported being dizzy from hunger. Where were all those restaurants getting their fresh meat and vegetables and chocolate sauce from after 3 months of blockade? So either the IDF is grossly incompetent and can't maintain their own siege or that youtuber is lying and showing videos from before the war. (I guess we have to extend "the enemy is both strong and weak" with "our own military is both strong and weak") The videos also don't show even a hint of destruction, even though the restaurants are close to areas that were hit by airstrikes. The youtuber was nice enough to include a callout of that in his own video, though I'm not sure he read it. [3] Why would Gazans even put themselves at risk and go to the GHF distribution points if they could just go to the pizza place down the street? > (and recent google reviews) Then show me some from this summer, because I don't see any. Btw, Israel is still partially blocking aid, this time with buerocratic excuses: They ban aid organizations they don't like (quasi-terrorist organizations like Save the Children), then forbid any other aid org to take over their cargo. [4] [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-halts-aid-into-gaza-over-hamas-refusal-to-extend-first-phase-of-truce/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-halts-aid-into-gaza-ove... [2] https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-falsely-says-israel-never-halted-all-entry-of-humanitarian-aid-to-gaza/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-false... [3] https://youtu.be/DFjhyAsHYFo?si=mf_jaY_k5i37TmAy&t=1m45s https://youtu.be/DFjhyAsHYFo?si=mf_jaY_k5i37TmAy&t=1m45s [4] https://www.haaretz.com/gaza/2025-11-04/ty-article/.premium/israel-blocks-humanitarian-groups-from-delivering-essential-aid-despite-calm-in-gaza/0000019a-502b-db4c-a5fb-dbab609d0000?gift=c8b997db0bb64001ae9b7e7e76f0c162 https://www.haaretz.com/gaza/2025-11-04/ty-article/.premium/...

The opinion piece you link to is false in two respects: first, Israel has never had a starvation policy in Gaza, and second, the courts never defended the policy because it never existed.

xg15 11mo ago

Yeah yeah, and the 6000 trucks on the Egyptian side of the Rafah crossing were just standing there for fun. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c0k77xm651jt https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c0k77xm651jt https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-14/ty-article-magazine/no-hunger-in-gaza-say-netanyahu-the-israeli-army-and-media-as-starvation-worsens/00000198-a8a1-d539-a5b8-fdf186180000?gift=994c56f8fbf345ea8f47f0fc17be169f https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-14/ty-article-ma... https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-12/ty-article-magazine/.premium/dates-are-luxury-and-other-ways-israel-hinders-aid-trucks-from-reaching-starving-gazans/00000198-9e25-d1fc-a3d8-feadb97a0000?gift=ae9fc3e41b414124a309e047d3fe6fb1 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-12/ty-article-ma... Even now, during the ceasefire, Israel only allows goods in through Kerem Shalom and Kissufim and keeps the other crossings shut, even though aid organizations urgently demand that they must be opened. Explain to me why.

richardfeynman 11mo ago
I see you're linking to some debunked articles about the gaza starvation hoax. Do you seriously think Israel had a policy of starvation? Obesity is common in gaza; there are restaurants everywhere; there aren't any pictures of starving families; all the pictures of starving kids have turned out to be of kids with serious pre-existing conditions; there have been only about 200 malnutrition related deaths in two years of war in gaza, orders of magnitude less than here in the US. And no belligerent in the history of war has ever allowed in more aid to the opposing side than Israel.
- cholantesh 11mo ago
  And now we're onto gish galloping - word of advice that this tactic works best while speaking; when typing, lobbying a multitude of bullshit claims at a rapid pace doesn't have quite the same effect. >Obesity is common in gaza This maybe works as a claim if humans exist in non-linear time where 2020 and 2025 are perceived simultaneously. In fact, though, it's not a claim that any current data evinces. >there are restaurants everywhere And as we all know, a restaurant under rubble without sufficient access to ingredients or consistent utility supply is still operating at full capacity and its patrons don't need to have funds, able bodies, or the absence of the threat of random artillery strikes to avail themselves to their services. >there aren't any pictures of starving families; all the pictures of starving kids have turned out to be of kids with serious pre-existing conditions Adults have more developed organs and digestive systems than children and those pre-existing conditions are ones that would either have been managed with sufficient access to food or had resulted from prenatal nutritional deficiencies caused by insufficient access to food. Your previous point was solipsistic, this kind of immaterial distinction, though, is just cynical. >there have been only about 200 malnutrition related deaths in two years of war in gaza Outside of a comment on Threads, I can't find any source for this. I wonder how many qualifiers you'll add to the ynetnews editorial you'll quote in support of this one. >no belligerent in the history of war has ever allowed in more aid to the opposing side than Israel. Per Israel and its material partners, yeah. Not so much per every internationally recognized human rights watchdog, aid organizations that aren't staffed by mercenaries and funded by the IDF and the US, or genocide scholars and other academics in related fields. It's unclear whether simple credulity or ideological priors are at play in accepting such a premise.
  - richardfeynman 11mo ago
    All the claims are true. > Obesity is common There are countless videos of obese people in Gaza today. > Restaurats everywhere. Google it! Not restaurants under rubble, but restaurants serving faties today. Here's a short list of open restaurants: - Manaqish restaurant - Ghazetna restaurant - Hotdog restaurant - Zaitouna cam restaurant - Chef Hamada - O2 restaurant > No pictures of starving families. Yes, of course adult bodies are more resilient, but in real famines (unlike the one in Gaza) adults die too. And the kids that look starving had preexisting conditions. >there have been only about 200 malnutrition related deaths in two years of war in gaza A googleable claim. >no belligerent in the history of war has ever allowed in more aid to the opposing side than Israel. It's a factual matter, nobody debates it. You can't find a country that sent more aid to a belligerent on a per capita basis.
- xg15 11mo ago
  I've heard those exact lines from several pro-Israeli commenters. How would you even expect this to work? There was a two-year nonstop bombing campaign and an official "total blockade" for several months. How could there possibly be "restaurants everywhere" after that? Also, Haaretz is an Israeli newspaper itself. Is the conspiracy running so deep?
  - richardfeynman 11mo ago
    "How could there possibly be "restaurants everywhere" after that?" There are plenty of restaurants in Gaza, as a quick Google search will reveal, so this is a question for you to ask yourself. Perhaps your premise is wrong.
    - xg15 11mo ago
      You're right, there actually are lots on Google Maps. Except some of them would be beyond the Yellow Line, in the area where the IDF troops are and which is strictly off-limits for civilians. And none of them have any reviews that are newer than from two years ago. (Compare with the markers on the Israeli side where the latest reviews are often just weeks or days old)
      - richardfeynman 11mo ago
        There are active restaurants in Hamas-controlled areas. There are hundreds of videos (and recent google reviews) proving this. Here's one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFjhyAsHYFo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFjhyAsHYFo
        xg15 11mo ago
        Come on dude, none of this makes any sense. Netanyahu in march officially ordered the IDF to block all aid [1] (though he later pretended he didn't [2]). That blockade was kept up for three months, until international pressure got too strong because even international staff reported being dizzy from hunger. Where were all those restaurants getting their fresh meat and vegetables and chocolate sauce from after 3 months of blockade? So either the IDF is grossly incompetent and can't maintain their own siege or that youtuber is lying and showing videos from before the war. (I guess we have to extend "the enemy is both strong and weak" with "our own military is both strong and weak") The videos also don't show even a hint of destruction, even though the restaurants are close to areas that were hit by airstrikes. The youtuber was nice enough to include a callout of that in his own video, though I'm not sure he read it. [3] Why would Gazans even put themselves at risk and go to the GHF distribution points if they could just go to the pizza place down the street? > (and recent google reviews) Then show me some from this summer, because I don't see any. Btw, Israel is still partially blocking aid, this time with buerocratic excuses: They ban aid organizations they don't like (quasi-terrorist organizations like Save the Children), then forbid any other aid org to take over their cargo. [4] [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-halts-aid-into-gaza-over-hamas-refusal-to-extend-first-phase-of-truce/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-halts-aid-into-gaza-ove... [2] https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-falsely-says-israel-never-halted-all-entry-of-humanitarian-aid-to-gaza/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-false... [3] https://youtu.be/DFjhyAsHYFo?si=mf_jaY_k5i37TmAy&t=1m45s https://youtu.be/DFjhyAsHYFo?si=mf_jaY_k5i37TmAy&t=1m45s [4] https://www.haaretz.com/gaza/2025-11-04/ty-article/.premium/israel-blocks-humanitarian-groups-from-delivering-essential-aid-despite-calm-in-gaza/0000019a-502b-db4c-a5fb-dbab609d0000?gift=c8b997db0bb64001ae9b7e7e76f0c162 https://www.haaretz.com/gaza/2025-11-04/ty-article/.premium/...