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I'm a little confused, because this looks like you're just swapping one proprietary service (Google) for another (NoLongerEvil). Despite their name, we have no

by kelnos 1y ago

I'm a little confused, because this looks like you're just swapping one proprietary service (Google) for another (NoLongerEvil). Despite their name, we have no idea if NoLongerEvil is evil or not. Why should I trust them? I don't know them at all. Why will they be immune to the regular economic pressures surrounding any connected online service? What will stop them from adding tracking or other anti-features? Even if they are a bunch of saints, what will stop them from selling the service to a company that will not respect my privacy? Google is at least the devil we know, here. I was expecting a fully open source firmware, with a fully open source backend service that people can host themselves if they so choose. (I guess they didn't write their own firmware; they hacked Google's firmware so it redirects traffic from Google's servers to their own. So I guess in this model, I'd want to see an open source, self-hostable backend service, and a "build" process for the hacked firmware to set the API URL to the self-hosted backend.) Edit: looks like they plan to open source the backend and enable self-hosting "soon". Hopefully that comes to pass!

hinkley 1y ago
I want a little blade server or SBC stack cabinet, that’s sized to fit comfortably near the broadband router, which is set up to run a bunch of home services from nest controller to Minecraft server as a lightweight kubernetes. Every so often you swap out the slowest one for a new one and keep adding more stuff to it. Add the ability to isolate some of the machines as bastion hosts and we could do an awful lot without having to exfiltrate our own data.
- Muromec 1y ago
  You can get a nice arm device with 16 or 32 gb ram for about 150 bucks and a screw 2 tb ssd to it for another 100 something. There is even risc-v things with decent ram, nvme connector and costing about 50 bucks
bastawhiz 1y ago
> Google is at least the devil we know, here. Google has left these devices essentially completely unusable. You're not trading up Google because Google already abandoned these devices by shutting off the lights. Even if you don't agree with how robust their service is, they're offering you the ability to turn what's effectively e-waste into an operable device.
- skybrian 1y ago
  Why do you say it's unusable? Our Nest thermostat seems to be working fine as a normal (offline) thermostat. I don't see a reason to replace it. I'm not even sure when I would want a network-enabled thermostat. We inherited it from the previous owners.
  - Aurornis 1y ago
    Google disabled cloud services, and therefore the app. The remote control features were a key reason many bought these. Can you edit schedules directly on the thermostat? From what I recall, much of the functionality required the app. That can’t be used now. If you’re only using it as an analog dial to set the temperature, you won’t miss anything. However the majority of functionality is now gone from the devices.
    - mattmaroon 1y ago
      You can edit the schedule on the device but it isn’t fun. The UI is just basically a dial that can click. And there’s no copy paste.
      - yummypaint 1y ago
        Yep I have this and it's total garbage. The scheduling options feel designed to troll, serious MacBook wheel vibes. No way to temporarily disable the schedule if you're going out of town. Either turn your HVAC off entirely, or delete the entire schedule and manually reenter the whole thing when you get back (who doesn't love life-wasting menu diving after a long trip?).
        mattmaroon 1y ago
        Yeah. It’s awful. And there’s no reason they couldn’t have given us one last firmware update that just at bare minimum allows us to use it with HomeKit or Alexa or whatever else.
        1y ago

by kelnos 1y ago

hinkley 1y ago

I want a little blade server or SBC stack cabinet, that’s sized to fit comfortably near the broadband router, which is set up to run a bunch of home services from nest controller to Minecraft server as a lightweight kubernetes. Every so often you swap out the slowest one for a new one and keep adding more stuff to it. Add the ability to isolate some of the machines as bastion hosts and we could do an awful lot without having to exfiltrate our own data.

Muromec 1y ago
You can get a nice arm device with 16 or 32 gb ram for about 150 bucks and a screw 2 tb ssd to it for another 100 something. There is even risc-v things with decent ram, nvme connector and costing about 50 bucks

bastawhiz 1y ago

> Google is at least the devil we know, here. Google has left these devices essentially completely unusable. You're not trading up Google because Google already abandoned these devices by shutting off the lights. Even if you don't agree with how robust their service is, they're offering you the ability to turn what's effectively e-waste into an operable device.

skybrian 1y ago
Why do you say it's unusable? Our Nest thermostat seems to be working fine as a normal (offline) thermostat. I don't see a reason to replace it. I'm not even sure when I would want a network-enabled thermostat. We inherited it from the previous owners.
- Aurornis 1y ago
  Google disabled cloud services, and therefore the app. The remote control features were a key reason many bought these. Can you edit schedules directly on the thermostat? From what I recall, much of the functionality required the app. That can’t be used now. If you’re only using it as an analog dial to set the temperature, you won’t miss anything. However the majority of functionality is now gone from the devices.
  - mattmaroon 1y ago
    You can edit the schedule on the device but it isn’t fun. The UI is just basically a dial that can click. And there’s no copy paste.
    - yummypaint 1y ago
      Yep I have this and it's total garbage. The scheduling options feel designed to troll, serious MacBook wheel vibes. No way to temporarily disable the schedule if you're going out of town. Either turn your HVAC off entirely, or delete the entire schedule and manually reenter the whole thing when you get back (who doesn't love life-wasting menu diving after a long trip?).
      - mattmaroon 1y ago
        Yeah. It’s awful. And there’s no reason they couldn’t have given us one last firmware update that just at bare minimum allows us to use it with HomeKit or Alexa or whatever else.
      - 1y ago