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Narco-sub carrying 1.7 tonnes of cocaine seized in Atlantic
- gooseus 1y agoBy Portuguese authorities, not US. Which is why the title says "seized", and not "torpedoed".
- kamikazeturtles 1y ago> Having seized the vessel, the navy said it could not be towed back to shore due to poor weather and its fragile construction, and it later sank in the open sea. Well, they did sink the submarine
- samcheng 1y agoThey didn’t kill the smugglers extrajudicially, though, which is a big difference.
- Razele 1y agowar is extrajudicial
- harimau777 1y agoAmerica isn't at war.
- gruez 1y agoNot even the "war" on drugs or "war" on terror? Semantic games aside, the precedent for the president engaging in military action without congress declaring war was broken decades before Trump.
- ziml77 1y agoSo? We hated it then and we hate it now.
- wormius 1y agoI love me a good Tu Quoque defense. Keep em coming! I can't remember if we supported him cuz he wasn't the war candidate or we supported him cuz he was or if it even matters and we just make up bullshit excuses for what suits us at the time with whatever is convenient for the given argument...
- hulitu 1y agoThey surely need circus for the plebeians. /s
- ta9000 1y agoTell that to the thousands of parents that lose a kid each year. This trash has to stop making it into the US.
- henry2023 1y agoEveryone talks about stopping drugs entering the border but no one talks about dismantling the extremely efficient logistic network that makes those drugs available in every corner of each major city. I guess it’s easier to blow up random boats in the pacific than prosecuting corrupt officials but is it effective?
- ta9000 1y agoWhy not do both?
- wilg 1y agoBecause it's un-American and murder to kill criminal suspects instead of trying them in a court of law.
- simianparrot 1y agoI would say it's as American as it gets, and in this case justified as well. Do you not know America's history..? Even recent one? Obama ordered drone strikes in foreign countries as well.
- wilg 1y agoWe know it’s not justified because they aren’t enemy combatants.
- Saline9515 1y agoWhat is the difference between this and sending hellfire missiles on Afghanis based on cell phone data, during the Obama administration?
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- tommica 1y agoAs fucked up as the situation is, they were warned that they would be blown up if they tried it.
- Stevvo 1y agoGiving warning you are going to violate international law doesn't make it any less illegal or immoral.
- complianceowl 1y agoWhat do you think about Obama killing an *American citizen* via drone extrajudicially?
- hulitu 1y agoThat's how you differentiate old empires from the curent ones: they are tired of all this killing.
- complianceowl 1y agoWhat do you think about Obama killing an American citizen via drone extrajudicially?
- OKRainbowKid 1y agoWhy does that matter? Does that excuse or justify these extrajudicial killings (murders?) in any way?
- nickthegreek 1y agoWe don't know if the Trump admin is killing American citizens in these. They don't know who they are killing either. Maybe the first step to pointing a weapon is knowing who you are pointing it at.
- tehwebguy 1y agoIt was an unforgivable crime, obviously. Much like these war crimes.
- water-data-dude 1y agoWhataboutism isn't a good argument.
- _--__--__ 1y ago"In addition to the participation of the Portuguese Navy and Judicial Police, the operation was supported by the United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and the Joint Inter-Agency Task Force – South (JIATF-S), and the United Kingdom’s National Crime Agency (NCA), working together within the scope of MAOC-N." from the linked press release, I'm assuming DEA tipped off the Euro agencies that the sub was headed their way
- defrost 1y agoIt's equally, if not more, probable that the intelligence about shipment departures came from non-US MAOC-N members and the "the operation" of tracking the craft was where the US liasons provided assistance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Analysis_and_Operations_Centre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Analysis_and_Operatio... The US isn't the only country with agents blending in on the supply side keeping eyes and ears on activity. The EU end has had repeated success infiltrating and cracking 'encrypted' criminal networks on the demand side of such markets.
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- kamikazeturtles 1y agoIt's probably very expensive patrolling waters 1000 nautical miles from your shores. What incentive does Portuguese authorities have to do this, especially considering the cocaine would've likely just been shipped off to buyers in other parts of the EU and not affect Portugal as much
- potato3732842 1y agoThat's like saying "thousands of miles from California" when something is a few miles from Hawaii. The article kind of buries it but it was intercepted near the Azores, which are Portuguese territory and policed accordingly. They weren't patrolling in the middle of nowhere. Also they probably got spotted by drone or something before the surface vessels got sent in to check it out.
- neom 1y agoWow, that Island looks beautiful! Hadn't heard of Azores before, photos of it make me want to visit. :) https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=6302e02a0ef1fe43&sxsrf=AE3TifNj8uZGcIt0VXyHkCqpnt4iphLWjQ:1762312736811&udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZmZAX1lZM8ZLCSv42N_JL5y_dgz0p08u6CB8VLiWU48dsAYemN16z2WeFE_578RkqcBEDaWEyfKNaC4cQkBKq0DzmOOlI3gEaT4ZFmCitYYp9edw3dLJ4C9qnQ-W0SSuSUjKS_hBsJ1gz9MWQxqzxNwORTM47Ajzw-4KQmQnNynnzKxzGCfzGaFxSCBAZzJyUkkSAlg&q=Azores&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi6tKTFhtqQAxX7RjABHUakJIcQtKgLegQIFBAB&cshid=1762312770560928&biw=1618&bih=802&dpr=2 https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=6302e02a0ef1fe43&sxsrf...
- moltar 1y agoThe photos are heavily photoshopped. But the island is still very beautiful.
- ternus 1y agoI visited in person several years back and was astonished - the grass really was that shade of lime green. Don't miss Sete Cidades: the cluster of small towns inside the caldera of an extinct volcano. Gorgeous.
- aerostable_slug 1y agoIt would be interesting to know the survival rate of the mariners involved. Do they mostly make it, or is it like serving on a WW2 German u-boat? The craft involved and the descriptions of the passage given to date do not inspire confidence, but then again if they never made it they wouldn't use this method...