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Will Scorched Earth Hasbara round 2 even work, I wonder? The cat's out of the bag for the American populace like it never has before. Shouldn't Israel's reputat

by moogly 11mo ago

Will Scorched Earth Hasbara round 2 even work, I wonder? The cat's out of the bag for the American populace like it never has before. Shouldn't Israel's reputation be beyond repairing?

roadside_picnic 11mo ago
I'm sure this post will be gone in another few minutes. I do think, in general, people are increasingly feeling a mismatch between what they're being told people feel on social media and what people in irl feel. However, there is still a lot of control being exerted online and it still seems to have some effect at maintaining the illusion of what views are and are not actually mainstream.
- pixxel 11mo ago
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- ASalazarMX 11mo ago
  > I'm sure this post will be gone in another few minutes. Aaand it's flagged, of course. Seriously, flagging should force you to leave a reason, or at least choose from a list of guidelines for others to see which the flagger thought was unmet.
  - cramsession 11mo ago
    It’s really egregious because another (very relevant) submission I made was also flagged: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45816708 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45816708 Most posts that talk about Israel’s influence in tech get flagged despite having many upvotes.
whatshisface 11mo ago
It comes down to whether everyone who lives in Palestine can be killed or removed before the direct financial support reverses into sanctions or something beyond the heavily suppressed critical online comments they're facing right now. Once they are all gone, the pressure to save them will be as well. I think they are at peace with "reputation" (among who, western intellectuals? progressives in Europe?) in exchange for achieving a goal that has defined rightwing Israeli politics for generations. Besides, what do they have to be afraid of? They know the accusations of antisemitism are false, and will not become true any time soon. The idea of a widespread vendetta against both the violent and peaceful elements of Israel has always been a fiction, used to justify the extraordinary measures employed to "defend" against it. All they have to do is kill or expel two million people, and then the crime will become history (probably not in US textbooks).
- moogly 11mo ago
  Yeah, depressingly, I think you're right. They've gotten away with it for so long now, without any real repercussions, so perhaps they can just accelerate now that they're on the home stretch, reputation be damned. The EU states were extremely quick to cancel their sanctions discussions, but still haven't resumed them as the killings continue. They've been very quiet. Ultimately, they too, are too craven to do what's right.

by moogly 11mo ago

Will Scorched Earth Hasbara round 2 even work, I wonder? The cat's out of the bag for the American populace like it never has before. Shouldn't Israel's reputation be beyond repairing?

roadside_picnic 11mo ago

I'm sure this post will be gone in another few minutes. I do think, in general, people are increasingly feeling a mismatch between what they're being told people feel on social media and what people in irl feel. However, there is still a lot of control being exerted online and it still seems to have some effect at maintaining the illusion of what views are and are not actually mainstream.

pixxel 11mo ago
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ASalazarMX 11mo ago
> I'm sure this post will be gone in another few minutes. Aaand it's flagged, of course. Seriously, flagging should force you to leave a reason, or at least choose from a list of guidelines for others to see which the flagger thought was unmet.
- cramsession 11mo ago
  It’s really egregious because another (very relevant) submission I made was also flagged: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45816708 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45816708 Most posts that talk about Israel’s influence in tech get flagged despite having many upvotes.

whatshisface 11mo ago

It comes down to whether everyone who lives in Palestine can be killed or removed before the direct financial support reverses into sanctions or something beyond the heavily suppressed critical online comments they're facing right now. Once they are all gone, the pressure to save them will be as well. I think they are at peace with "reputation" (among who, western intellectuals? progressives in Europe?) in exchange for achieving a goal that has defined rightwing Israeli politics for generations. Besides, what do they have to be afraid of? They know the accusations of antisemitism are false, and will not become true any time soon. The idea of a widespread vendetta against both the violent and peaceful elements of Israel has always been a fiction, used to justify the extraordinary measures employed to "defend" against it. All they have to do is kill or expel two million people, and then the crime will become history (probably not in US textbooks).

moogly 11mo ago
Yeah, depressingly, I think you're right. They've gotten away with it for so long now, without any real repercussions, so perhaps they can just accelerate now that they're on the home stretch, reputation be damned. The EU states were extremely quick to cancel their sanctions discussions, but still haven't resumed them as the killings continue. They've been very quiet. Ultimately, they too, are too craven to do what's right.