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Not minds; lives.

by pphysch 1y ago

Not minds; lives.

UltraSane 1y ago
Thank you for proving my point
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- pphysch 1y ago
  People are opposed to Israel due to its ongoing mass murder (and rape) campaign. Normal people are opposed to those violent acts and may even get angry about them.
  - UltraSane 1y ago
    "People are opposed to Israel due to its ongoing mass murder (and rape) campaign." But the same people tend to completely ignore or outright support Hamas doing the exact same thing.
    - willis936 1y ago
      Because one is actively sponsored by their own nation while the other is not. Their tax dollars are being spent for those atrocities. Or is that not something people should quibble about?
      - UltraSane 1y ago
        Again, thanks for proving my point.
        willis936 1y ago
        This isn't the kafka trap you think it is because any reasonable reader would see the glaring false equivalence. Supporting atrocities is upsetting and something we have agency over. How do you not see this?
        UltraSane 1y ago
        I honestly don't understand how this relates to people actively supporting Hamas attacking Israel and killing civilians.
        willis936 1y ago
        It relates to people ignoring Hamas. We have nothing to do with Hamas. People support the human rights of Palestinians because they support the human rights of all humans. I didn't address supporting Hamas because it wouldn't have been a generous interpretation of your argument. Where have you seen Hamas support? I have only seen it when Palestinian support is equated to Hamas support to justify atrocities.
        UltraSane 1y ago
        Where have you seen Hamas support? See the posts by pphysch later in this thread.
        pphysch 1y ago
        "You're insane for opposing genocide!!" is an unbelievably patronizing, if not outright insane take. You're literally losing huge swathes of the American Christian Right, as we speak. Those guys don't care about Hamas or Palestine or the occupied West Bank. You need to wake up! I'm trying to help you.
        UltraSane 1y ago
        Did you assume I'm Israeli? I'm not. I'm an agnostic. the people ranting about Israel committing genocide in Gaza all happily ignore Article 7 of the Hamas charter that quotes a hadith: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." This is explicitly about killing Jews, not just opposing Zionism or dismantling a state. Combined with the charter's call to eliminate Israel and "liberate" all of Palestine through armed struggle, this effectively calls for the violent removal or elimination of Jews from the territory
        pphysch 1y ago
        You don't have to be Israeli or Jewish to be a (widely-despised) Zionist or regurgitate their murderous propaganda.
        UltraSane 1y ago
        " or regurgitate their murderous propaganda." You say this while utterly ignoring the fact that the Hamas Charter's goal is to kill all Jews? Thanks for proving my point. I honestly have no idea what the word Zionist means anymore since Israel has existed for 77 years and seems likely to continue to exist for at least another 77 years. Can you explain to me what it means?
        pphysch 1y ago
        > the Hamas Charter's goal is to kill all Jews This is blood libel, murderous propaganda. There is nothing of this sort in the current Hamas charter.

Not minds; lives.

UltraSane 1y ago

Thank you for proving my point

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pphysch 1y ago
People are opposed to Israel due to its ongoing mass murder (and rape) campaign. Normal people are opposed to those violent acts and may even get angry about them.
- UltraSane 1y ago
  "People are opposed to Israel due to its ongoing mass murder (and rape) campaign." But the same people tend to completely ignore or outright support Hamas doing the exact same thing.
  - willis936 1y ago
    Because one is actively sponsored by their own nation while the other is not. Their tax dollars are being spent for those atrocities. Or is that not something people should quibble about?
    - UltraSane 1y ago
      Again, thanks for proving my point.
      - willis936 1y ago
        This isn't the kafka trap you think it is because any reasonable reader would see the glaring false equivalence. Supporting atrocities is upsetting and something we have agency over. How do you not see this?
        UltraSane 1y ago
        I honestly don't understand how this relates to people actively supporting Hamas attacking Israel and killing civilians.
        willis936 1y ago
        It relates to people ignoring Hamas. We have nothing to do with Hamas. People support the human rights of Palestinians because they support the human rights of all humans. I didn't address supporting Hamas because it wouldn't have been a generous interpretation of your argument. Where have you seen Hamas support? I have only seen it when Palestinian support is equated to Hamas support to justify atrocities.
        UltraSane 1y ago
        Where have you seen Hamas support? See the posts by pphysch later in this thread.
      - pphysch 1y ago
        "You're insane for opposing genocide!!" is an unbelievably patronizing, if not outright insane take. You're literally losing huge swathes of the American Christian Right, as we speak. Those guys don't care about Hamas or Palestine or the occupied West Bank. You need to wake up! I'm trying to help you.
        UltraSane 1y ago
        Did you assume I'm Israeli? I'm not. I'm an agnostic. the people ranting about Israel committing genocide in Gaza all happily ignore Article 7 of the Hamas charter that quotes a hadith: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." This is explicitly about killing Jews, not just opposing Zionism or dismantling a state. Combined with the charter's call to eliminate Israel and "liberate" all of Palestine through armed struggle, this effectively calls for the violent removal or elimination of Jews from the territory
        pphysch 1y ago
        You don't have to be Israeli or Jewish to be a (widely-despised) Zionist or regurgitate their murderous propaganda.
        UltraSane 1y ago
        " or regurgitate their murderous propaganda." You say this while utterly ignoring the fact that the Hamas Charter's goal is to kill all Jews? Thanks for proving my point. I honestly have no idea what the word Zionist means anymore since Israel has existed for 77 years and seems likely to continue to exist for at least another 77 years. Can you explain to me what it means?
        pphysch 1y ago
        > the Hamas Charter's goal is to kill all Jews This is blood libel, murderous propaganda. There is nothing of this sort in the current Hamas charter.