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I am honestly curious what Elon would need to do for you to dislike him. That ship sailed for me long ago

lukan 1y ago
Words have meaning. He said he does not hate him. That does not mean he likes him. Hate is a very strong emotion. Dislike is a much less stronger emotion. That is not all the same. (I also don't hate Elon, but I still don't like him or consider doing buisness with him in any way)
- metabagel 1y ago
  USAID was a highly effective and efficient operation. Musk dismembered it, leading to untold misery, death, and the spread of infectious diseases. I think this is reason enough to hate Musk. Also, keep in mind that what Musk did was a violation of the separation of powers in the Constitution, so he simultaneously killed a program which saved lives while he also started the U.S. on the road to authoritarianism. https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2025/tracking-anticipated-deaths-from-usaid-funding-cuts/ https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2025/tracking-anticipat... https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/07/01/nx-s1-5452513/trump-usaid-foreign-aid-deaths https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/07/01/nx-s1...
  - fatbird 1y ago
    The race to the highest body count looks like Elon in first, RFK jr. second, and Stephen Miller a distant third but looking like he'll finish strong once the camps are fully operating.
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  - lukan 1y ago
    I would argue without Musk and his Twitter/richest man of the world power, Trump would have never been elected in the first place, which would have prevented this and a lot of other bad things. Still, I don't hate him. (Hate is not a condition I think is healthy or constructive or something I should explain myself not feeling it)
    - metabagel 1y ago
      > Hate is not a condition I think is healthy or constructive I agree with you on this. Strong emotions impede our ability to be creative and problem-solve.
  - drysine 1y ago
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    - danudey 1y ago
      Yeah, if it weren't for USAID then the CIA wouldn't have had any cover for smuggling those weapons and would have just given up. The argument is like saying "criminals used this bank to transfer stolen money so the bank is bad and I'm glad they were shut down." USAID has done far more good than the harm they were exploited to enable.
      - drysine 1y ago
        >criminals used this bank to transfer stolen money so the bank is bad If a bank willingly cooperates with criminals it is a bad bank, yes.
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    - Angostura 1y ago
      And a vaccination programme was used as a front when searching for Bin Ladin. That doesn’t mean that vaccine programs are bad. Anything can be used as a front
      - drysine 1y ago
        >That doesn’t mean that vaccine programs are bad. Obviously. But the organization that discredits vaccine programs by being a front for CIA is bad and deserves to be dismantled.
    - snowwrestler 1y ago
      Not sure if this is intended to be critical or supportive. A lot of Americans supported these types of efforts to oppose the Soviet Union. There’s a Tom Hanks movie about it, for example.
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  - ElectronCharge 1y ago
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    - amanaplanacanal 1y ago
      This administration has added more debt than any previous. So this talk about lowering debt is pure bullshit.
      - ElectronCharge 1y ago
        An "administration" doesn't add debt - Congress does. Power of the purse strings, no? I'm not sure what you mean by "this administration". Are you including DJT's first term? Regardless, here are the numbers per Investopedia: "Based on total dollar amounts, Joe Biden contributed the most to the national debt, adding $8.5 trillion during his presidency, followed by Donald Trump ($7.8 trillion in his first term) and Barack Obama ($7.7 trillion during his two terms)." DJT's first term had the excuse of the COVID pandemic. Other than the final year when that was an issue, his spending was reasonable. 0'Biden on the other hand, had no such excuse for his spending binge, which was consistent across his (thankfully few) four years in office. The "talk of lowering debt" is necessary, since right now we're spending 25% of federal revenue (about $1 trillion) paying the interest on our current massive national debt. The hope is that a supercharged US economy can raise revenues enough to ease the pain of paying down the national debt that's largely been accumulated since 2000. It must be done to avoid the inevitable consequences.
        amanaplanacanal 1y ago
        This Congress does whatever the president wants, because they are scared of what he will do to them if they don't.
        ElectronCharge 1y ago
        I hope you're right, the nuclear option is looking mighty good right now! ;-)
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johnwheeler 1y ago
/Raises hand Sam Altman hater over here.
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Words have meaning. He said he does not hate him. That does not mean he likes him. Hate is a very strong emotion. Dislike is a much less stronger emotion. That is not all the same. (I also don't hate Elon, but I still don't like him or consider doing buisness with him in any way)

metabagel 1y ago
USAID was a highly effective and efficient operation. Musk dismembered it, leading to untold misery, death, and the spread of infectious diseases. I think this is reason enough to hate Musk. Also, keep in mind that what Musk did was a violation of the separation of powers in the Constitution, so he simultaneously killed a program which saved lives while he also started the U.S. on the road to authoritarianism. https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2025/tracking-anticipated-deaths-from-usaid-funding-cuts/ https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2025/tracking-anticipat... https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/07/01/nx-s1-5452513/trump-usaid-foreign-aid-deaths https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/07/01/nx-s1...
- fatbird 1y ago
  The race to the highest body count looks like Elon in first, RFK jr. second, and Stephen Miller a distant third but looking like he'll finish strong once the camps are fully operating.
  - 3626351828272 1y ago
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- lukan 1y ago
  I would argue without Musk and his Twitter/richest man of the world power, Trump would have never been elected in the first place, which would have prevented this and a lot of other bad things. Still, I don't hate him. (Hate is not a condition I think is healthy or constructive or something I should explain myself not feeling it)
  - metabagel 1y ago
    > Hate is not a condition I think is healthy or constructive I agree with you on this. Strong emotions impede our ability to be creative and problem-solve.
- drysine 1y ago
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  - danudey 1y ago
    Yeah, if it weren't for USAID then the CIA wouldn't have had any cover for smuggling those weapons and would have just given up. The argument is like saying "criminals used this bank to transfer stolen money so the bank is bad and I'm glad they were shut down." USAID has done far more good than the harm they were exploited to enable.
    - drysine 1y ago
      >criminals used this bank to transfer stolen money so the bank is bad If a bank willingly cooperates with criminals it is a bad bank, yes.
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  - Angostura 1y ago
    And a vaccination programme was used as a front when searching for Bin Ladin. That doesn’t mean that vaccine programs are bad. Anything can be used as a front
    - drysine 1y ago
      >That doesn’t mean that vaccine programs are bad. Obviously. But the organization that discredits vaccine programs by being a front for CIA is bad and deserves to be dismantled.
  - snowwrestler 1y ago
    Not sure if this is intended to be critical or supportive. A lot of Americans supported these types of efforts to oppose the Soviet Union. There’s a Tom Hanks movie about it, for example.
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- ElectronCharge 1y ago
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  - amanaplanacanal 1y ago
    This administration has added more debt than any previous. So this talk about lowering debt is pure bullshit.
    - ElectronCharge 1y ago
      An "administration" doesn't add debt - Congress does. Power of the purse strings, no? I'm not sure what you mean by "this administration". Are you including DJT's first term? Regardless, here are the numbers per Investopedia: "Based on total dollar amounts, Joe Biden contributed the most to the national debt, adding $8.5 trillion during his presidency, followed by Donald Trump ($7.8 trillion in his first term) and Barack Obama ($7.7 trillion during his two terms)." DJT's first term had the excuse of the COVID pandemic. Other than the final year when that was an issue, his spending was reasonable. 0'Biden on the other hand, had no such excuse for his spending binge, which was consistent across his (thankfully few) four years in office. The "talk of lowering debt" is necessary, since right now we're spending 25% of federal revenue (about $1 trillion) paying the interest on our current massive national debt. The hope is that a supercharged US economy can raise revenues enough to ease the pain of paying down the national debt that's largely been accumulated since 2000. It must be done to avoid the inevitable consequences.
      - amanaplanacanal 1y ago
        This Congress does whatever the president wants, because they are scared of what he will do to them if they don't.
        ElectronCharge 1y ago
        I hope you're right, the nuclear option is looking mighty good right now! ;-)
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johnwheeler 1y ago

/Raises hand Sam Altman hater over here.

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