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> As Figueroa tried to drive through the 1600 block of West Hubbard Street on Friday, Oct. 10, an unmarked vehicle driven by federal agents collided with Figuer

> As Figueroa tried to drive through the 1600 block of West Hubbard Street on Friday, Oct. 10, an unmarked vehicle driven by federal agents collided with Figueroa’s as it tried to speed away from a hostile crowd, multiple videos reviewed by the Tribune show. > Seconds after the crash, agents abruptly stopped their vehicle and exited with weapons in hand pointing at Figueroa, a U.S citizen. Agents then forcibly opened her door and pulled her out of the vehicle by her legs without identifying themselves, presenting a warrant or informing her that she was under arrest. As bystanders yelled, “You hit her! We have it on video!” agents ignored the crowd and forced Figueroa into a red minivan and drove away. > Her car was left behind in the middle of the road, her coffee still in the cup holder, and her keys in plain view. > The Department of Homeland Security later released a statement claiming that Figueroa was at fault, saying “she crashed into an unmarked government vehicle and violently resisted arrest, injuring two officers.” > Figueroa was released the same day a few hours later without charges.

embedding-shape 1y ago
> > The Department of Homeland Security later released a statement claiming that Figueroa was at fault, saying “she crashed into an unmarked government vehicle and violently resisted arrest, injuring two officers.” Judging by the videos I came across, she seems to be the size and build of an average women, how could she possibly have hurt the two officers? Seems they seriously lack training and if they managed to get hurt in such situation, they have no place in the police force from the beginning.
- throw0101d 1y ago
  > Judging by the videos I came across, she seems to be the size and build of an average women, how could she possibly have hurt the two officers? Devil's advocate: if you're untrained† and flailing around while trying to be restrained, an elbow or knee could smash someone's nose or groin pretty hard. † I.e., not an MMA fighter or into judo or BJJ, which has a lot of grappling techniques.
  - embedding-shape 1y ago
    > if you're untrained But these are law enforcement, they shouldn't be in the street unless they're trained, so safe to assume they've received some training before actively working, yet it seems they're unable to follow basic instructions.
    - throw0101d 1y ago
      >> if you're untrained > But these are law enforcement Was referring to the woman that got grabbed.
      - embedding-shape 1y ago
        Huh, how does it matter if the person being arrested or not is trained? Obviously she's a regular person, not martial arts expert, and even if she was, police should be trained to arrest people without hurting them, something the people in the video clearly haven't been trained in.
  - Jtsummers 1y ago
    That's a pretty lame devil's advocate position. You know how you deal with people flailing about wildly? You step back and let them wear themselves out. Better, don't drag someone out of their car at gunpoint to provoke a flailing response when you have no reason to drag them out of their car at all. They were not at risk of injury until they chose to engage with a US citizen whose vehicle they hit in a violent manner.
- aids_bomb 1y ago
  > Judging by the videos I came across, she seems to be the size and build of an average women, how could she possibly have hurt the two officers? Have you seen officers in the country. Half of them an obese slobs. Also I’ve seen the caliber of ICE recruiters in a bodycam the other day. The agent had been pulled over for a DUI and was drunkenly questioning the arresting officer on if they were Haitian.
- adamredwoods 1y ago
  We have specific police training for these situations, for this very reason. Additionally, police that go outside of their training are liable for their actions. DHS is completely bypassing these rules, which are in place for the reason of maintaining peace with society. Breaking these rules not only cause civil unrest, but open an avenue for society to hold DHS and ICE legally accountable.
  - throw0101d 1y ago
    > DHS is completely bypassing these rules, which are in place for the reason of maintaining peace with society. Legal Eagle has a recent (10/31) video on how ICE cannot (seemingly) be sued: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fktQUIkf6o0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fktQUIkf6o0

embedding-shape 1y ago

> > The Department of Homeland Security later released a statement claiming that Figueroa was at fault, saying “she crashed into an unmarked government vehicle and violently resisted arrest, injuring two officers.” Judging by the videos I came across, she seems to be the size and build of an average women, how could she possibly have hurt the two officers? Seems they seriously lack training and if they managed to get hurt in such situation, they have no place in the police force from the beginning.

throw0101d 1y ago
> Judging by the videos I came across, she seems to be the size and build of an average women, how could she possibly have hurt the two officers? Devil's advocate: if you're untrained† and flailing around while trying to be restrained, an elbow or knee could smash someone's nose or groin pretty hard. † I.e., not an MMA fighter or into judo or BJJ, which has a lot of grappling techniques.
- embedding-shape 1y ago
  > if you're untrained But these are law enforcement, they shouldn't be in the street unless they're trained, so safe to assume they've received some training before actively working, yet it seems they're unable to follow basic instructions.
  - throw0101d 1y ago
    >> if you're untrained > But these are law enforcement Was referring to the woman that got grabbed.
    - embedding-shape 1y ago
      Huh, how does it matter if the person being arrested or not is trained? Obviously she's a regular person, not martial arts expert, and even if she was, police should be trained to arrest people without hurting them, something the people in the video clearly haven't been trained in.
- Jtsummers 1y ago
  That's a pretty lame devil's advocate position. You know how you deal with people flailing about wildly? You step back and let them wear themselves out. Better, don't drag someone out of their car at gunpoint to provoke a flailing response when you have no reason to drag them out of their car at all. They were not at risk of injury until they chose to engage with a US citizen whose vehicle they hit in a violent manner.
aids_bomb 1y ago
> Judging by the videos I came across, she seems to be the size and build of an average women, how could she possibly have hurt the two officers? Have you seen officers in the country. Half of them an obese slobs. Also I’ve seen the caliber of ICE recruiters in a bodycam the other day. The agent had been pulled over for a DUI and was drunkenly questioning the arresting officer on if they were Haitian.
adamredwoods 1y ago
We have specific police training for these situations, for this very reason. Additionally, police that go outside of their training are liable for their actions. DHS is completely bypassing these rules, which are in place for the reason of maintaining peace with society. Breaking these rules not only cause civil unrest, but open an avenue for society to hold DHS and ICE legally accountable.
- throw0101d 1y ago
  > DHS is completely bypassing these rules, which are in place for the reason of maintaining peace with society. Legal Eagle has a recent (10/31) video on how ICE cannot (seemingly) be sued: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fktQUIkf6o0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fktQUIkf6o0