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mrkeen 1y ago
If you're having trouble 'seeing from the other side', just substitute "toddler" for "communist", and "poisoned for years by memes and disinformation" with "infected by the woke mind virus". If I characterised your voting behaviour being due to "Trump derangement syndrome", would that be a "lie"?
- happytoexplain 1y ago
  That relies on the common fallacy that both sides of any given political binary are "the same" by default - i.e. that if you believe anything about Republicans, and you don't believe the same thing about Democrats, or vice versa, that you are a hypocrite almost automatically. But of course you need to state some kind of opinion or argument that X is the same as Y - it's not true by default. If a Democrat (or Republican) did the things Trump does, I would expect and understand for people to accuse that Democrat (or Republican) of acting like a toddler, or whatever. That doesn't mean you should or that it's a good thing, but it's understandable and not hypocritical.
RickJWagner 1y ago
Here’s a few examples: Bill Clinton being defended by Gloria Steinem and the National Organization of Women. Dan Rather trying to take down GW Bush with forged documents. Anderson Cooper standing in a hole while bemoaning a flood that really wasn’t that bad. Katie Couric and the deceptively edited gun owner interview. The deafening silence about George Floyd’s criminal record. The whole media attack on the Covington High kids. ( With Hollywood social media assist. ) Jussie Smulletts attempted Trump smear. All the participants outraged at Justice Kavanaugh ( who are oddly silent about Bill Clinton’s much worse transgressions ). Such outrage for a very thin allegation. The complete media silence during the surprise Hunter Biden laptop discovery. ( Add to that dozens of ‘expert’ testimonials that called it ‘Russian disinformation’. ) Of course by now it is proved genuine. The damage in this big lie was the proximity to Election Day. That’s why the denials and silence are so very important. There are many more, but you should see the point. If you think there’s nothing to all of this, then I’m afraid we’re just on opposite sides of a strange wall that distorts what seems truthful.
- happytoexplain 1y ago
  You're right. Though simple lists of anecdotes and examples do nothing because they are essentially infinite - you could list one thousand evil deeds on either side and still be cherry-picking, or be listing things that the other person simply disagrees with subjectively even if you both agree on the factual parts, and that's not even considering the cases where you each disagree on the facts. But you're right in that if the perception of how badly one "side" behaves vs the other is almost perfectly opposite between two people (sounds like "party A is shitty but human, party B is evil"), they might as well be aliens to each other. You can't resolve differences in reality.

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If you're having trouble 'seeing from the other side', just substitute "toddler" for "communist", and "poisoned for years by memes and disinformation" with "infected by the woke mind virus". If I characterised your voting behaviour being due to "Trump derangement syndrome", would that be a "lie"?

happytoexplain 1y ago
That relies on the common fallacy that both sides of any given political binary are "the same" by default - i.e. that if you believe anything about Republicans, and you don't believe the same thing about Democrats, or vice versa, that you are a hypocrite almost automatically. But of course you need to state some kind of opinion or argument that X is the same as Y - it's not true by default. If a Democrat (or Republican) did the things Trump does, I would expect and understand for people to accuse that Democrat (or Republican) of acting like a toddler, or whatever. That doesn't mean you should or that it's a good thing, but it's understandable and not hypocritical.

RickJWagner 1y ago

Here’s a few examples: Bill Clinton being defended by Gloria Steinem and the National Organization of Women. Dan Rather trying to take down GW Bush with forged documents. Anderson Cooper standing in a hole while bemoaning a flood that really wasn’t that bad. Katie Couric and the deceptively edited gun owner interview. The deafening silence about George Floyd’s criminal record. The whole media attack on the Covington High kids. ( With Hollywood social media assist. ) Jussie Smulletts attempted Trump smear. All the participants outraged at Justice Kavanaugh ( who are oddly silent about Bill Clinton’s much worse transgressions ). Such outrage for a very thin allegation. The complete media silence during the surprise Hunter Biden laptop discovery. ( Add to that dozens of ‘expert’ testimonials that called it ‘Russian disinformation’. ) Of course by now it is proved genuine. The damage in this big lie was the proximity to Election Day. That’s why the denials and silence are so very important. There are many more, but you should see the point. If you think there’s nothing to all of this, then I’m afraid we’re just on opposite sides of a strange wall that distorts what seems truthful.

happytoexplain 1y ago
You're right. Though simple lists of anecdotes and examples do nothing because they are essentially infinite - you could list one thousand evil deeds on either side and still be cherry-picking, or be listing things that the other person simply disagrees with subjectively even if you both agree on the factual parts, and that's not even considering the cases where you each disagree on the facts. But you're right in that if the perception of how badly one "side" behaves vs the other is almost perfectly opposite between two people (sounds like "party A is shitty but human, party B is evil"), they might as well be aliens to each other. You can't resolve differences in reality.