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>I made an argument that there should be a trial and argued explicitly against those who think thee shouldn't be a trial Correct, you made a straw man: literal

>I made an argument that there should be a trial and argued explicitly against those who think thee shouldn't be a trial Correct, you made a straw man: literally no one is saying there shouldn't be a trial in this thread. You know who isn't? The Israeli government, the military whose members are accused of a crime, and a large and vocal segment of the Israeli population. The same cohort _do_ want a criminal case levelled against a whistleblower who was being intimidated for trying to do her job. The fact that this case is being pursued with significantly more vigour makes most reasonable observers question the level of commitment Israeli society has to the values you're evangelizing. But I mean, how sincere your commitment is is still up in the air, because again, you've never walked back your unsupported claim that the video is doctored.

richardfeynman 11mo ago
I see you ignored this opportunity to confirm the accused is innocent until proven guilty and deserves a fair trial before people call them rapists. Too bad. Of course I didn't walk back my claim that the video is doctored, and of course it's not unsupported. Here is one of many articles alleging the video is doctored and pointing to the specific person (Guy Peleg) who doctored it by splicing together different clips from different days: https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/sde-teiman-the-leak-that-shocked-israel/ https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/sde-teiman-the-leak-that-sho... This is just reporting, and it will need to be tested in court. But my claim is not unsupported.
- cholantesh 11mo ago
  >I see you ignored this opportunity to confirm the accused is innocent until proven guilty and deserves a fair trial before people call them rapists. Too bad. It's not actually required for someone involved in a discussion to waste their time responding to straw men. >This is just reporting, and it will need to be tested in court. Ah, so we've moved on from strawmanning to moving the goalposts.
  - richardfeynman 11mo ago
    Just because you called my argument a strawman doesn't make it one. Since I see you're not willing to advocate for normal common law justice, I don't think we'll ever agree, and I'll put this argument to rest. By the way, there is no serious debate about whether the video was altered. Any casual watcher an see it's spliced clips. The question is only whether it was altered maliciously, to paint a specific picture. That is what needs to be tested in court.
    - cholantesh 11mo ago
      >Just because you called my argument a strawman doesn't make it one. No, of course not, the fact that you keep trying to derail the argument by mischaracterizing what the people you disagree with are saying makes it a straw man. No one here has rejected the common law convention or said there shouldn't be a trial. A sizable contingent of your ideological brethren have. You refuse to confront this, and that's your own cross to bear. >By the way, there is no serious debate about whether the video was altered. Any casual watcher an see it's spliced clips. The question is only whether it was altered maliciously, to paint a specific picture. That is what needs to be tested in court. Not especially, the material question is whether it depicts the assailants performing the acts that resulted in the prisoner's injuries. Notably, you've stopped even trying to argue that point.

richardfeynman 11mo ago

I see you ignored this opportunity to confirm the accused is innocent until proven guilty and deserves a fair trial before people call them rapists. Too bad. Of course I didn't walk back my claim that the video is doctored, and of course it's not unsupported. Here is one of many articles alleging the video is doctored and pointing to the specific person (Guy Peleg) who doctored it by splicing together different clips from different days: https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/sde-teiman-the-leak-that-shocked-israel/ https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/sde-teiman-the-leak-that-sho... This is just reporting, and it will need to be tested in court. But my claim is not unsupported.

cholantesh 11mo ago
>I see you ignored this opportunity to confirm the accused is innocent until proven guilty and deserves a fair trial before people call them rapists. Too bad. It's not actually required for someone involved in a discussion to waste their time responding to straw men. >This is just reporting, and it will need to be tested in court. Ah, so we've moved on from strawmanning to moving the goalposts.
- richardfeynman 11mo ago
  Just because you called my argument a strawman doesn't make it one. Since I see you're not willing to advocate for normal common law justice, I don't think we'll ever agree, and I'll put this argument to rest. By the way, there is no serious debate about whether the video was altered. Any casual watcher an see it's spliced clips. The question is only whether it was altered maliciously, to paint a specific picture. That is what needs to be tested in court.
  - cholantesh 11mo ago
    >Just because you called my argument a strawman doesn't make it one. No, of course not, the fact that you keep trying to derail the argument by mischaracterizing what the people you disagree with are saying makes it a straw man. No one here has rejected the common law convention or said there shouldn't be a trial. A sizable contingent of your ideological brethren have. You refuse to confront this, and that's your own cross to bear. >By the way, there is no serious debate about whether the video was altered. Any casual watcher an see it's spliced clips. The question is only whether it was altered maliciously, to paint a specific picture. That is what needs to be tested in court. Not especially, the material question is whether it depicts the assailants performing the acts that resulted in the prisoner's injuries. Notably, you've stopped even trying to argue that point.