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I like gittip, but it really needs international payouts. I don't see much point collecting these tips for 1st world programmers, who probably don't need them t

I like gittip, but it really needs international payouts. I don't see much point collecting these tips for 1st world programmers, who probably don't need them that much. For developers in 3rd world countries, even small monthly tips could make a huge difference.

jordanmessina 14y ago
Just because someone is a first world programmer doesn't mean tipping them couldn't make a huge difference. If someone is doing something that makes the world better for the rest of us, and tipping them means they can spend even more time on that, then we all win. Look at https://www.gittip.com/freakboy3742/ https://www.gittip.com/freakboy3742/ . $500/week gets him one full day dedicated to Django dev.
- fusiongyro 14y ago
  That's nice, but $500/week might get you two full-time programmers in India. Cost of living is a huge factor in determining programmer salary.
  - jordanmessina 14y ago
    Find me two Russell Keith-Magees that will work for $250/week and you have a valid argument.
    - fusiongyro 14y ago
      We're not debating that. We're debating whether or not gittip should support international payments, and the point is that small amounts of money here are much more significant in countries like India.
      - jordanmessina 14y ago
        There is no debate as to whether or not gittip should support international payments. It absolutely should and they're already trying to figure it out: https://github.com/whit537/www.gittip.com/issues/126 https://github.com/whit537/www.gittip.com/issues/126 I don't understand the point of mentioning the obvious economics of tips in third world countries. It doesn't matter where someone lives, if they're the best for the job then I'm going to tip them. Hopefully it helps them free up some time to work on amazing things.
        fusiongyro 14y ago
        It would be a lot more fun to converse with you if your attention spanned all the way back to the beginning of the conversation.
        whit537 14y ago
        Hey, whoa, easy tigers! Yes, Gittip needs to solve the non-US payouts problem, and yes, Gittip can and should work for people in many different parts of the world with many different standards of living.
martindale 14y ago
Bitcoin might serve this purpose well.
- whit537 14y ago
  I added a +1 to: https://github.com/whit537/www.gittip.com/issues/126 https://github.com/whit537/www.gittip.com/issues/126
whit537 14y ago
Are you kangasbros on this ticket? https://github.com/whit537/www.gittip.com/issues/126 https://github.com/whit537/www.gittip.com/issues/126 If not let's add your +1 there as well.
jnoller 14y ago
I agree that the issue w/ international payouts needs to be resolved; this is a known bug. But speaking as a "first world programmer" (https://www.gittip.com/jnoller/ https://www.gittip.com/jnoller/) the money from Gittip I have gotten has already made a huge difference for me. For example; say I burn 40 hours a week working on PyCon or other community-related things. Ok, that's in addition to my day job, and time away from my family, and it's also hours I could spend working on side contracts from work that would pay me. Instead, I have gittip; the funds of which have allowed me to pay some of a myriad of medical expenses (long story) and other debts that has relieved stress against my family and I and in turn make me, and my family, less stressed and concerned that the time I spend volunteering is not time misspent. So, while yes: you are perfectly correct that 1$ in one country isn't equivalent to $1 in a "first world programmer's world", I can state that the 1$ I get from gittip helps my family and I a great deal - even if it's just $1, it's positive psychological reinforcement and stress relief. So no, don't assume "they don't need them that much".
akoumjian 14y ago
This is hard even when you aren't dealing with micropayment levels. There are not a lot of services that provide this kind of thing. ACH is a pain as well.

jordanmessina 14y ago

Just because someone is a first world programmer doesn't mean tipping them couldn't make a huge difference. If someone is doing something that makes the world better for the rest of us, and tipping them means they can spend even more time on that, then we all win. Look at https://www.gittip.com/freakboy3742/ https://www.gittip.com/freakboy3742/ . $500/week gets him one full day dedicated to Django dev.

fusiongyro 14y ago
That's nice, but $500/week might get you two full-time programmers in India. Cost of living is a huge factor in determining programmer salary.
- jordanmessina 14y ago
  Find me two Russell Keith-Magees that will work for $250/week and you have a valid argument.
  - fusiongyro 14y ago
    We're not debating that. We're debating whether or not gittip should support international payments, and the point is that small amounts of money here are much more significant in countries like India.
    - jordanmessina 14y ago
      There is no debate as to whether or not gittip should support international payments. It absolutely should and they're already trying to figure it out: https://github.com/whit537/www.gittip.com/issues/126 https://github.com/whit537/www.gittip.com/issues/126 I don't understand the point of mentioning the obvious economics of tips in third world countries. It doesn't matter where someone lives, if they're the best for the job then I'm going to tip them. Hopefully it helps them free up some time to work on amazing things.
      - fusiongyro 14y ago
        It would be a lot more fun to converse with you if your attention spanned all the way back to the beginning of the conversation.
        whit537 14y ago
        Hey, whoa, easy tigers! Yes, Gittip needs to solve the non-US payouts problem, and yes, Gittip can and should work for people in many different parts of the world with many different standards of living.

martindale 14y ago

Bitcoin might serve this purpose well.

whit537 14y ago
I added a +1 to: https://github.com/whit537/www.gittip.com/issues/126 https://github.com/whit537/www.gittip.com/issues/126

whit537 14y ago

Are you kangasbros on this ticket? https://github.com/whit537/www.gittip.com/issues/126 https://github.com/whit537/www.gittip.com/issues/126 If not let's add your +1 there as well.

jnoller 14y ago

I agree that the issue w/ international payouts needs to be resolved; this is a known bug. But speaking as a "first world programmer" (https://www.gittip.com/jnoller/ https://www.gittip.com/jnoller/) the money from Gittip I have gotten has already made a huge difference for me. For example; say I burn 40 hours a week working on PyCon or other community-related things. Ok, that's in addition to my day job, and time away from my family, and it's also hours I could spend working on side contracts from work that would pay me. Instead, I have gittip; the funds of which have allowed me to pay some of a myriad of medical expenses (long story) and other debts that has relieved stress against my family and I and in turn make me, and my family, less stressed and concerned that the time I spend volunteering is not time misspent. So, while yes: you are perfectly correct that 1$ in one country isn't equivalent to $1 in a "first world programmer's world", I can state that the 1$ I get from gittip helps my family and I a great deal - even if it's just $1, it's positive psychological reinforcement and stress relief. So no, don't assume "they don't need them that much".

akoumjian 14y ago

This is hard even when you aren't dealing with micropayment levels. There are not a lot of services that provide this kind of thing. ACH is a pain as well.