> I am somewhat baffled by your statement, as I feel it is largely self evident being familiar with, and having tried both therapy methods with professional the

> I am somewhat baffled by your statement, as I feel it is largely self evident being familiar with, and having tried both therapy methods with professional therapists, and both Goggins and Hof's advice for years. I think a simple wikipedia level explanation of what those things actually are would suffice to answer your question, so I have nothing major to add, unless I am misunderstanding you. Goggins whole shtick in particular is just this one basic point, make yourself as mentally tough as possible by intentionally always doing whatever is difficult. Hof is also just literally getting into very cold water consistently, which is really not easy- and he has no real philosophy or theory, he just has you do it and see what happens. > Perhaps the therapy methods are less clear, but reframing things or deciding on clear values and purpose, are in my view, psychological tools to make the difficult endurable, or in some cases even enjoyable. This makes more sense if you're seeing the methods in the context of how the ancient stoics used the same techniques that inspired those therapies- especially Epictetus. I am tempted to respond equally condescendingly. But I will not. I am familiar with Stoicism, CBT, and ACT. You confirmed my impressions of David Goggins and Wim Hof. It seems likely you misunderstood what even less meant. The basic idea of CBT is to identify and correct cognitive distortions. Some patients some of the time will find some discomfort in this. Some patients some of the time find some discomfort in any therapy. This does not make leaning into discomfort the basic idea. Even less does it make the basic idea intentionally always doing whatever is difficult or make yourself as mentally tough as possible. Even less does it make the basic idea getting into very cold water consistently. Reframing things or deciding on clear values and purpose are tools for many purposes. How you use them says more of your purposes than the tools. Aaron Beck said Stoic philosophy was 1 of several roots of CBT. And he observed Stoicism's contribution could be found in other philosophies. Some modern Stoicism adherents ignore the other parts.